Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 August 2010 16:32, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: It might be useful to define properties of certain keys outside the tagging in the database, for example to describe “business people use Key:accommodation”, “tourists use Key:accommodation”, or specifically for a tag “Tag:X=zoo is a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural borders

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 August 2010 03:48, Erik G. Burrows e...@erikburrows.com wrote: I think that if we map the park/city/etc boundary as a separate way than the river/ridge/etc, we give ourselves greater flexibility over time: In general this is the conclusion we've come to about Australian boundaries, keep

Re: [Tagging] ele-key for lakes / water bodies and glaciers

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
Since water levels, can fluctuate substantially both seasonally and annually, I'm not sure of the benefit of the ele=* tag on bodies of water, nor on contours since this is something you'd use DEM information/files for. *Maybe* I'd use them on glaciers, but only peaks, otherwise you just end up

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 August 2010 19:10, digi_c dig...@arcor.de wrote: Dear mappers, we think we finished the brainstorming phase for our new proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Healthcare Would be nice to get a review. Please add suggestions to the wiki talk pages in english.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 August 2010 19:10, digi_c dig...@arcor.de wrote: Dear mappers, we think we finished the brainstorming phase for our new proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Healthcare Would be nice to get a review. Please add suggestions to the wiki talk pages in english.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
2010/8/24 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de: Well but OSM offers the feature=val1;val2;val3 modelling possibility, that is even supported by JOSM, right? Sure, but nothing processes that information, JOSM only displays it, because it's too expensive to process every field like that.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
2010/8/24 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de: I tried do spot more on JOSMs merge process where he suggests to merge two different values for one key to a ; seperated new item e.g. highway=footway highway=path -highway=footway;path That's a bad example, because some wish to replace

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
2010/8/24 Élisée Reclus fe-nospam-2009-03...@arcor.de: This would mean lots of sub-tags. But most of the time there is only one speciality. A lot/most of the specialists in regional areas here share office space, same with major hospitals, they would have many specialists in the same place.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
2010/8/24 Élisée Reclus fe-nospam-2009-03...@arcor.de: Forgot the shared office space: Wouldn't it be more useful to use more than one POI in these cases? You would search for one specific doctor (with an name=*). The name would usually be something specialist centre or such and such clinic

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Healthcare

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
2010/8/24 Élisée Reclus fe-nospam-2009-03...@arcor.de: Yes, in this case sub-tags for specialities seem to be more useful. But it's the opposite for physicians. I would prefer a simple speciality=* as there are lots of specialities (especially if used outside healthcare=*) and in most cases

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural borders

2010-08-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 August 2010 10:03, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: To pick a random example: http://osm.org/go/uG2Mh6iR Oops, sorry for spam, but nearby I spotted a convenient example of the alternative approach: one

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-23 Thread John Smith
Martin, So its ok to shift stuff from tourism but not shift stuff from amenity to emergency? On 8/24/10, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/8/23 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com: 2010/8/23 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2010/8/22 Claudius Henrichs

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 August 2010 08:56, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: No it's not ok to wiki-fiddling emergency, or tourism, or cultural or whatever - especially not, if a lot of people actually disagree with that change. It's not about confusing anyone, especially if most people use presets

Re: [Tagging] Tagging individual properties?

2010-08-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 August 2010 23:09, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: I'm curious, what would be the best way to tag the boundaries of individual properties? Or SHOULD I even attempt this? A way to do this would be to map any fence lines marking the boundaries. The Cadestral data for Manitoba is

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-18 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 19:07, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/8/18 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: There is a lot of amenity=fast_food places tagged, I wonder how many tag the cuisine properly. In this case the name/brand alone is usually significant for people

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 17:44, Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com wrote: Michael Barabanov wrote: Seems like double work to me. Ross's suggestion may just work. If there're no objections, I'll update the wiki. Please not, this is a crude hack. Why not use the opening_hours syntax? This

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 18:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/8/17 Michael Barabanov michael.baraba...@gmail.com: Seems like double work to me. Ross's suggestion may just work. If there're no objections, I'll update the wiki. There is already a proposal for this kind of

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 22:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If a restriction is valid only for some time, I would like to see this in one tag and not in 2 for several reasons: I think you are over engineering, in any case my previous point still stands, there is no less than 3

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 00:03, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/8/17 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: I'm not talking about hour_on, I'm talking specifically about your suggestion: restriction=[6:00-9:00;15:00-18:00]only_right_turn Which breaks restriction=* IMHO

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 00:06, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a programmer but I think that some substring-parsing would be substring/regex is essentially the same end result. sufficient (do you mean this?). For the evaluation of the term you will in all cases need a

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 00:08, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: It is much more elegant on the other hand not to have to create separate restrictions for all times, but deal in one restriction with it. The more these things are in use, the more apps will be able to understand them.

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 01:06, Surly_ru p...@isnet.ru wrote: I agree!! The term training here is much more suitable than school. My recommendation is amenity=training + training=dance. -1 The whole point of all the was to avoid adding any more amenity=* tags unnecessarily, it's already an overly

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 01:28, Surly_ru p...@isnet.ru wrote: Wouldn't that be a little counter initiative since they are called dance schools, driving school, etc ? These short-term training courses for adults are very different from educational schools for children, despite of their name. So let's

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 07:19, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: NAFAIK, if I understand you correctly. That's what semi-colons are for. In Which nothing seems to bother to parse... OSM data is already computationally expensive just parsing simple key pairs...

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 11:41, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:30 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: shop=rental rental:car=yes/no rental:bike=yes/no rental:truck=yes/no rental:van=yes/no rental:bus=yes/no I don't like this because this: shop

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-16 Thread John Smith
2010/8/17 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de: opinion. Thats why nobody knows that there are new features, nobody talked about it, nobody made a review :( But they do get talked about, take for example this thread where someone added a shop that no one seems to agree with:

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-16 Thread John Smith
2010/8/17 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de: But OSM is more than just the major lists (see people like me that sign on/off lists to avoid to much mails). As I said it would be a good idea to feature our proposal incubator a little bit more ;) I'm pretty sure if the users have no Push but a Pop

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 05:15, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote: Proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dancing_school I'm wondering if a sub-tag would be more useful, eg amenity=school school=dance That way you could group other similar schools, like martial arts, using

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-16 Thread John Smith
2010/8/17 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de: Well ok might be possbile but for that reason there are other channels e.g. forums, MLs that have their own pros and cons. There is software that can show mailing list posts in the same way as forums, the forums are only used by a minority of people,

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 07:41, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: amenity=school school=middle I know I brought up middle schools, but are they deemed a type of secondary school? The reason I ask, it might be more useful to tag which grades, for example in Australia there are central

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 07:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: -1, IMHO no. A dancing school, boxing school, ski school, etc. are IMHO not in the same category than general-education schools. They might be classified in one category, but that is IMHO not school. That's what the sub

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 08:03, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: what about school=dolphins for a school of dolphins? Or hospital=tree nursery? IMHO we shouldn't create our categories/keys only based on language which might sometimes be ambiguous or misleading. So far you seem to be

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 08:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: it doesn't change the good point Ulf made: a potential data consumer would have to know all school types for a pleasant results. Currently That's actually a reason to sub-tag, so they can show a generic icon instead of

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 09:29, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: amenity=special_school or something on that order, and then subtag with school= i don't object to splitting that way, but there's no good reason to further pollute amenity when we can subtag with school= Do we even need an

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

2010-08-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 12:18, Michael Barabanov michael.baraba...@gmail.com wrote: Seems like double work to me. Ross's suggestion may just work. If there're no objections, I'll update the wiki. That would probably be fine for every day of the week, and yes I noticed day_on/off, but that seems to

Re: [Tagging] turn restrictions, multiple time intervals

2010-08-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 13:14, Michael Barabanov michael.baraba...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. But I'm not in the mood to start a voting process on changing hour_on to access:time. We keep getting told this is a do-ocracy, so if you find something more useful, just do it? :)

Re: [Tagging] Dealing with types of places (possibly US-specific)?

2010-08-16 Thread John Smith
You should check out the 50,000 other threads on place=*, it varies too much from country to country and even regions within countries based on what people expect to see on maps, there doesn't seem to be any objective methods to do this that would be consistent within countries, let alone the

Re: [Tagging] other landuse values?

2010-08-15 Thread John Smith
On 15 August 2010 21:56, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I thought the accepted way was to separate the different uses with a semi-colon: landuse=residential;commercial etc. Does anything actually parse multiple values like that? ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] other landuse values?

2010-08-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 August 2010 01:43, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Sunday 15 August 2010 14:28:15 John Smith wrote: On 15 August 2010 21:56, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I thought the accepted way was to separate the different uses with a semi-colon: landuse=residential;commercial

Re: [Tagging] other landuse values?

2010-08-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 August 2010 01:43, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: With landuse=mixed you basically know nothing, except that there should be multiple values. You don't even know if it is a build-up area as there are enough landuse values that deal with the countryside. +1 I don't think landuse=mixed

[Tagging] Vacant shop tagging...

2010-08-15 Thread John Smith
I'm not sure this is the best way to do things, what do others think? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:shopoldid=517645diff=next ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] other landuse values?

2010-08-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 August 2010 03:21, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: tourism=theme_park renders on Mapnik; perhaps this should be changed to amusement_park (is there really a difference other than marketing?) If one already renders, why change it? ___

Re: [Tagging] Mapping autonomous regions

2010-08-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 19:49, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Paul Johnson wrote: We need to come up with a better way to map and tag autonomous regions, particularly in North America. The talk page for the boundary= suggests that an administrative boundary is not the right tag;

Re: [Tagging] when to use source:location?

2010-08-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 21:43, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to clarify some things that aren't clear on the wikipage for key:source. You use source=* for where the majority of the information came from, and source:location=* if you sourced the location differently from

Re: [Tagging] How do you map elements of an amenity_bus_station?

2010-08-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 22:40, Michał Borsuk michal.bor...@gmail.com wrote: * highway=bus_stop seems to be the users' choice, but on some maps, namely Osm2Gps (Java offline map for telephones), there is a clutter of names, one for the amenity, one for each stop * highway=platform doesn't clutter,

Re: [Tagging] How do you map elements of an amenity_bus_station?

2010-08-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 22:58, Michał Borsuk michal.bor...@gmail.com wrote: Possibly. The highway=platform tag is an official one, so it should appear as something other than a point. Just because it's on the wiki doesn't mean it will render, you need to file a trac request for enhancement if no one

Re: [Tagging] Road closed in wet weather

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 05:55, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: That tag seems rather awkward, but it does bring up a good point about The rest of your email described seasonal conditions that are the same year in and year out, but for most of Australia there isn't seasonal conditions in the

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants - Timber Merchant

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 04:36, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Right, but what are we calling them? The Phillips gas stations (76 and shop=trade trade=wood ? Phillips 66 in particular) generally regard themselves as being upscale and generally nicer than, say, BP's ARCO. That doesn't stop

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 11:30, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: not sure it's wise to try and tag for crop types. many farms do rotate their crops, after all. not the same from year to year, and all that. In the area I grew up in they rotated twice a year in some cases...

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Fire Hydrant

2010-08-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 August 2010 08:25, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: yes, i voted no because of the move back to amenity. while i understand the reluctance to switch over the existing tags in a rush, there's little reason not to start using emergency for new tags. In this case the only

Re: [Tagging] Road closed in wet weather

2010-08-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 August 2010 19:39, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: This has nothing to do with weather conditions, but a stupid driver ignoring signed warnings. Perhaps not the best example of what Liz was thinking of, however this is a better example:

Re: [Tagging] Road closed in wet weather

2010-08-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 August 2010 20:03, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Road closed signs are not always put up, but the sign that the road will be closed by wet weather is there all year round. I don't think the report mentioned if there was signs saying the road would be closed during wet weather, but I guess

Re: [Tagging] Road closed in wet weather

2010-08-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 August 2010 20:05, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I see - a permanent sign. I've no idea was this was objected to. Was the discussion on how it was to be tagged? I can't remember what happened, and there is nothing really useful on the discussion page at all.

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-08-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 August 2010 05:51, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: We've seen recently how people responding to disasters have used OSM data on handheld devices - someone right now could quite possibly be using such a map to try and deal with, say, the floods in Pakistan. If that map is

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-08-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 August 2010 10:46, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Similar hacks to what they did in Haiti I suspect, use what ever tags render, like camping sites, which are really refugee camps... Haiti is the antithesis of OSM tagging. Sure, the initial few hours had tagging for the renderer, but

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 21:20, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: you've exacerbated the inconsistency by splitting fire ambulance stations to different keys! This thread was about shifting police and fire to emergency... The original post was about fire_hydrants (I think - with the threads

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 21:30, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Why? What advantages does it bring? Stephen did a pros and cons email on this topic, you would have been better replying to that. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 22:47, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Sounds sensible to me, I'm busy tracing new nearmap imagery. With extremely useful changeset comments? :) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread John Smith
On 30 July 2010 17:53, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that's another reason to tag them separately, right? So we can have amenity=hospital and emergency=ambulance_station I don't think that was ever in dispute, the only reference of emergency with hospital was to do with any

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread John Smith
Just to drag things back on topic, so far most claims seem to be vague and generalised, however the original proposal about shifting police and fire into an emergency category doesn't seem to have many/any of the draw backs of most POIs most people are going to search for most of the time.

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 03:43, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: Here's an example of a change you claim you haven't made: No, I claimed to have made those, as I pointed out to you in a previous reply, what exactly was so important about these locations that no one could be bothered to spend 2

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 03:34, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: It appears that you have indeed made lots of changes in the database before discussing on the list: e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/771625043/history Hmmm thought I fixed that by reverting that changeset... I'll fix it now

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 09:51, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: If it ain't broke... This wouldn't have come up if everyone thought that, there is a lot of inconsistencies in the current tags on the map features page. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] tag groupings

2010-07-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 10:39, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: Ignoring for the moment the whole how do we change it thing brought up by the emergency tags, there seems to be a whole underlying issue that's worth looking at. The how is fairly simple, no one seems to have disagreed with that, the

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 July 2010 16:27, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: It seems the emergency phones used to render on Mapnik but now they don't. Should we re-open the original trac ticket (link below) or submit a new one to get the new tagging rendered? Do you know if there was a particular reason

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 July 2010 18:34, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Thanks for that. I fully support the change to emergency=phone but reverting seems appropriate until we have the renderer support behind the move. I also think that amenity=police should change to emergency=police_station

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 July 2010 19:15, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Just need to make sure that a date is set to remove the old amenity tags. What would a reasonable time frame be? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] office=*

2010-07-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 July 2010 19:45, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: We all agree that voting is not appropriate. Replace it by opinion poll. What about general agreement on the mailing list? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants - Timber Merchant

2010-07-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 July 2010 20:48, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: I had hoped that something better would occur to me or someone else. But yes, it seems as good as anything else, so let's go with it. Someone had made shop=wood, but that didn't seem as good as your suggestion...

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 July 2010 03:35, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: You have already changed amenity=ambulance_station to emergency=ambulance_station, which was not listed above, so you have already started to make these worldwide changes. It wasn't documented at all on the wiki, at all, so if it was

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 July 2010 04:09, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand this argument. Doesn't every tag change anywhere break every editor/renderer/search/data user whether or not you think it is correct? It's slightly amusing how it comes up every now and then about what to do about

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 July 2010 04:36, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Yes, I have a problem with it: I don't see any advantage of having to remember both the key and the value used for an object type. Just leave The advantage is you can do a generic emergency icon and have that render for anything

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 July 2010 04:54, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: If there IS a change for medical stuff, I would personally rather see the medical=* proposal be used. At this stage it'd be nice to sort out the emergency=* issue before trying to tackle anything else :) I agree with Chris that it

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 July 2010 05:16, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: It's true that choosing a common key emergency makes it easier if you want to treat police stations and hospitals the same way in an application. But if you want to treat doctors and hospitals the same way, then it's pretty

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 July 2010 06:44, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: I second this. Emergency namespace must have definitely essential things, but not all things. emergency=ambulance_station is definitely right, but not emergency=hospital. It rises interesting question though - I would suggest to

Re: [Tagging] Service=* used for highways and railways

2010-07-28 Thread John Smith
On 28 July 2010 17:25, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: For some reason it completely escaped me that service=* is supposed to be used for both railways (eg, service=spur) and roads (service=alley). I don't really want to debate this situation with a view to changing it, but could

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-28 Thread John Smith
On 28 July 2010 17:50, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: There are also fire hoses which are attached to building water supplies and fan-folded inside largish glass-front metal cases inset into walls. emergency=fire_hose maybe, though I'd like something that better indicates that

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-28 Thread John Smith
Did I miss anything currently being mentioned in this or the fire hydrant thread? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Emergency ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-28 Thread John Smith
On 28 July 2010 23:45, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: the fire hydrant language is overly specific; out here in the CP from wikipedia... and there is always the little edit button/links to help improve it :) ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-28 Thread John Smith
On 28 July 2010 23:57, S.Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Emergency Are these tags approved? Check out some of the comments on the minor tag proposals lately when it comes to voting, most just suggest you use it if it seems sensible and

Re: [Tagging] Service=* used for highways and railways

2010-07-28 Thread John Smith
On 29 July 2010 01:14, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, that's the bit I found odd. I guess there are other examples of a tag meaning two different things depending on what the main tag is (eg, voltage=* can go with power=line, or railway=rail, electrified=yes). I'm sure soon

Re: [Tagging] office=*

2010-07-28 Thread John Smith
On 29 July 2010 01:19, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: - Should I just put a redirect to office= on the proposal pages? Up to you, alternatively you can just copy and paste bits of content/text that would be useful... ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] office=*

2010-07-28 Thread John Smith
On 29 July 2010 15:13, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: 5-10k mappers doesn't work, but skipping discussion and inventing tags Don't confuse discussion with voting, voting is flawed and many things are still discussed on the tagging list before being documented on the wiki. based on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 July 2010 15:59, S.Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp wrote: How about a fire extinguisher[1]? I don't think this is a good idea, as they are 2 completely different things... Could it be included to fire_hydrant tag? Seems the same purpose to me. They are equipped by local government

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
Why do taggers have to compensate for poorly written programs making use of the data? On 7/27/10, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Pre-processing isn't really an option for Kosmos, Maperitive, MapCSS/Halcyon (and judging by the number of rendering tags it spawns)

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 July 2010 20:27, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Why does the data model have to make it so difficult for data consumers in the first place? So this is another case of the current API limiting things? I'd love to be able to micromap lanes, not just ways, which might fix the

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 July 2010 21:05, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: You could invent a tagging scheme that would let you model lanes. You could, for example, create a way tagged highway=lane or lane=1 [2, 3, ...] or some such - certainly needs some thought - maybe qualified with who can

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 July 2010 21:27, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 27/07/2010 12:05, David Earl wrote: ... You don't need anyone's permission to do this. If you do a good job and promote it, it might catch on... which is one of the key reasons why I think Tag Central [1] would help us.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 July 2010 22:33, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Using the same tag for both could cost lives, by making delays in finding the necessary equipment (fire hydrant or fire extinguisher) to fight the fire in question. While it may be useful to tag these things on OSM, I don't

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 July 2010 23:05, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Why not? As any other map, it has to be taken with piece of salt Typical CYA legal stuff, that is unless you want to be personally liable for mistakes you make which cost someone their life...

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 July 2010 22:58, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Like an earthquake in Haiti, for example,... I'd rather not be sued because someone thought they might be able to do something with the data that turned out to be false... ___ Tagging

[Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 July 2010 13:51, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: there is a whole suite of emergency related things that are not currently handled, for example, in the US, EMS services are frequently housed separately from fire departments and there's no tag codified for that at present that

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 20:02, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Most vineyards have something similar, though not always so heavily marketed, so I think you need to find a term that's more international. Perhaps tourism=vineyard_shop or just shop=vineyard. You some times can

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 20:30, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: winery: no such word in en_gb, we just use vineyard for the whole operation (though of course we don't do these things on the same scale as Australia). Unless you're going to distinguish between shop=winery and

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 20:45, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Personnally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a specific polygon for the bridge and link it to the roads, cycleways, railways, etc by a relation. I don't know for renderers but it would make contributors

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 21:20, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: For such zoom levels, the renderer might decide to render like the traditional bridge=yes. This would be a rendering decision. My concern is That seems to be overly complicated just to extend the length of the bridge where it doesn't extend

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-25 Thread John Smith
Since there hasn't been any dispute over this, I wrote up a wiki page for this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=cellar_door ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-25 Thread John Smith
On 26 July 2010 10:44, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I think that it is likely to lead to a great deal of confusion, since the general meaning of cellar door is any door leading into a building's cellar. This does not necessarily mean that the building is a winery; for

[Tagging] Tagging U-Turns (Was: [OSM-talk] Divided/Non-Divided Intersection)

2010-07-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 July 2010 23:48, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: I spend a totally unreasonable amount of time mapping turn restrictions (mostly no-u-turn) as it is, and even that is hard to justify. I guess this goes back to the default values for a region/state/country, but in Australia

Re: [Tagging] covered definition in the wiki

2010-07-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 July 2010 19:11, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: exactly, there is a lot of application cases and I don't see why our definition should be so arbitrarily restrictive. It's probably only limited because people didn't think of any other uses...

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