Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread althio althio
Hi Jo/Polyglot and list, On 22 January 2015 at 12:01, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Which too schemes? I think you'd need to be more specific. 1. key=values;separated;by;semicolon 2. several key:subkey=*

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-22 Thread althio althio
It is not as formal as a proposal voting. I would like to know how the community (those who vote) think about associatedStreet relations. I think that in Germany the majority does not like them (anymore). I will announce a end date. This end date will be date of announcement of end of

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-22 Thread althio althio
Please vote here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relation:associatedStreet Is this a formal voting? Is there a date for start and end vote? It looks strange, hidden on a Talk:page without the usual template or RFC or call for votes on the international mailing lists. althio

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread althio althio
First point: It is good that several people invent, propose and use various schemes. Second point: At some point, unification of schemes with similar intent would be great. As usage grows, having the same kind of data treated differently is a pain for everyone, mappers, developers, maintainers

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread althio althio
I even find the second example more difficult to visualize. It's just worse than the first in every respect. From a mapper's point of view My little +1 for key:subkey=* In free text like this thread, several key:subkey=* may look more heavy and complicated than

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-20 Thread althio althio
like: amenity=hairdresser name=Scalp culture=punk ? Exactly, I provided other examples in my previous message such as culture=country, culture=grunge, culture=shinto. Using several keys ethnicity=* + nationality=* + subculture=* all together would be unambiguous but I think culture=* does a

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-20 Thread althio althio
Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: What is the basic philosophy of OSM tagging at the top level? ... Is there an FAQ on this? Or has this never been documented I do not have a FAQ on philosophy, only this and that... A few entries about 'how to create/propose/use' tags:

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-19 Thread althio althio
John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: I think there should be ethnic=*, Nationality=* , or culture=*tag that can be used [...] I find culture=* the best so far. I find it specialised enough (compared to _type=*, origin=*, category=*, group=* ...) I find it accurate enough. I find it generic enough

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-18 Thread althio althio
My main suggestion would be to re-use the same scheme as Key:opening_hours to define the time when the waterway is likely to flow. I would also discard rare/frequent as too subjective. Instead: approximate duration are not perfect but should improve mutual understanding. For instance as in:

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread althio althio
I didn't follow every bits of the discussion, so sorry for interrupting. Sorry also if my proposals are out of scope or already reviewed. Maybe a fresh view can help. @Marc amenity=drinking_water // amenity=non_drinking_water It feels like a good start and compromise. Either can be associated

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread althio althio
It seems that Pieren and I agree on most points. @François Maybe drinkable water is a very special case... but here service/use is much more important than object/feature. The ability to find this water on a map or from any data consumer is useful. It can even be essential to many people from

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-16 Thread althio althio
Kotya Karapetyan 2) Suggested tags functionality should be implemented. I have seen that in the Android editor Vespucci. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-14 Thread althio althio
On Jan 14, 2015 5:53 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate you concerns. They should have been raised in the commenting period of the proposal rather than the voting period that is coming to a close. -1.

Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?

2015-01-14 Thread althio althio
that is not a problem, as multi doesn't exclude all, but all requires all Indeed, it is not a problem, it is a solution ! :) Use two values for slightly different concepts. multi == multifaith == multiconfessional == various == value1;value2;... all == non-denominational == nondenominational

Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?

2015-01-13 Thread althio althio
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: religion=multi looks OK to me, the similarity to sport makes it easier to remember than religion=all (and it is very likely more accurate, as all is too inclusive I guess). Some airports REALLY wants to be that inclusive. a prayer room for all

Re: [Tagging] kind of a shop=ticket

2015-01-12 Thread althio althio
This is very related to amenity=vending_machine (taginfo = 54 000) with its associated key: vending=* (taginfo = 50 000) http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/vending#values Maybe we could come up with something that unite the used keys. On 12 January 2015 at 09:55, k4r573n

Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?

2015-01-12 Thread althio althio
John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: multi fits the sports tagging scheme well, and I think it is best for the religion tag too. Allis not good, as most sports places don have a clay sumo ring or a sandy pit for beach volleyball set up, so all would be wrong. @John I guess this is a reply to

Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?

2015-01-12 Thread althio althio
Jgpacker asks on the PoW talk page: Are [Airports prayer rooms] really tagged with amenity=place_of_worship? I would say it's quite a different place from a normal religious place, and should get another tag. I think they are definitively for worshiping and prayers. amenity=place_of_worship is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC: Reverse Vending Machine

2015-01-11 Thread althio althio
Building on Janko's comment, is this acceptable or lacking in some way? amenity=shop/vending_machine/... service:refund=yes refund:plastic_bottles=* refund:*=* ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?

2015-01-08 Thread althio althio
How about... non-denominational places (Airport chapels ...) religion=all places shared between faiths religion=multi Optionally more details with a scheme similar to: religion:christian http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/religion=christian=yes/* religion:muslim

Re: [Tagging] barrier=net ?

2015-01-07 Thread althio althio
TLDR: consider fence_type=net I think that these huge nets on poles are barriers, then fences and then nets. So it fits well within barrier=fence. from wiki osm [1]: A fence is a freestanding structure designed to restrict or prevent movement across a boundary. It is generally distinguished from

Re: [Tagging] barrier=net ?

2015-01-07 Thread althio althio
On 07/01/2015 11:42 am, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: There are 544 uses of barrier=net, and I want to add it into the wiki. On 7 January 2015 at 05:50, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I've also used it to tag nets in the water used to provide swimming areas safe from sharks.