Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-03-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
landcover=mud? Can you explain where this is expected to be a permanent condition? Maybe wasteland with soil pollution that prevents things from growing? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-03-19 Thread Cartographer10 via Tagging
Hello all, We have completely rewritten the proposal based on all the feedback we received. It should be much clearer now what we want and especially, why we think this change is a good idea. This rewrite should clarify a lot of the things. We would like to receive feedback. For reference,

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 21, 2023, 12:30 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > > > > On 19/2/23 06:00, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> >> >> >> Feb 17, 2023, 11:03 by >> 61sundow...@gmail.com>> : >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 16/2/23 21:11, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: >>> Feb 16,

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-21 Thread Warin
On 19/2/23 06:00, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Feb 17, 2023, 11:03 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 16/2/23 21:11, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Feb 16, 2023, 10:18 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: landuse=meadow should delete the vegetation in the

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-18 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, Le jeu. 16 févr. 2023 à 14:36, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> a écrit : > > Have you compared increase in activity with change in OSM activity in > general > or other unrelated object types where no such changes happened? > For example other power network tagging

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 17, 2023, 11:03 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > > > > On 16/2/23 21:11, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> >> >> >> Feb 16, 2023, 10:18 by >> 61sundow...@gmail.com>> : >> >>> >>> landuse=meadow should delete the vegetation in the description >>> leaving the use ... "Used

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-17 Thread Warin
On 16/2/23 21:11, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Feb 16, 2023, 10:18 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: landuse=meadow should delete the vegetation in the description leaving the use ... "Used to tag an area of land used for hay (meadow) or for grazing animals (pasture)." That

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-16 Thread Cartographer10 via Tagging
In your examples you are mixing functional and physical tags. At first, we actually deprecate landuse=grass so that is -1 tag for grass. "Even if you succeed in replacing over 5 million uses of landuse=grass with landcover=grass there will still be areas of landuse=meadow and natural=grassland

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 13, 2023, 20:14 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: > Hi, > > Le lun. 13 févr. 2023 à 14:11, Andy Townsend <> ajt1...@gmail.com> > a écrit : > >> >> > By the way, I saw some changes leading to x10 contribution rates and >> > be criticized as disrupting longstanding practices or

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 16, 2023, 10:18 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > > landuse=meadow should delete the vegetation in the description leaving > the use ... "Used to tag an area of land used for hay (meadow) or for > grazing animals (pasture)." That would make it clear and possibly reduce > its

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-16 Thread Warin
On 16/2/23 14:56, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Problem: there are 3+ tags for areas of mostly grass with sometimes overlapping meaning, in 2 different keys (landuse=meadow, natural=grassland, landuse=grass) You have forgotten at least one - landuse=farmland, crop=grass. However while

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Problem: there are 3+ tags for areas of mostly grass with sometimes overlapping meaning, in 2 different keys (landuse=meadow, natural=grassland, landuse=grass) Solution(?): 4+ tags for areas of grass with overlapping meaning, in 3 different keys I don’t see how this will be an improvement. Even

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-15 Thread Cartographer10 via Tagging
We have significantly updated the proposal. We have removed most of the proposed values and only trees and grass are left. This to reduce the scope of the proposal. We also tried to better explain that with this proposal, we aim to improve the tagging scheme in the long term. This proposal is

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-13 Thread António Madeira
I was about to list some points by which I think this proposal has great advantages, but I'll stick to these three, where Vincent sums it up much more elegantly than I could have written. As it happened before and it's still happening with other schemes, we should always try to improve the

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-13 Thread Cartographer10 via Tagging
> > Anyone suggesting widespread changes such as this needs to explain how > this proposal will help with at least one of the following: > > 1) Allowing new mappers to contribute to OSM easier than they > currently can > 2) Allowing some nuance to be captured that can't be

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-13 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, Le lun. 13 févr. 2023 à 14:11, Andy Townsend a écrit : > > By the way, I saw some changes leading to x10 contribution rates and be > criticized as disrupting longstanding practices or established tagging. > > An actual example would be really useful here. > Here are some, very specific

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-13 Thread Andy Townsend
> By the way, I saw some changes leading to x10 contribution rates and be criticized as disrupting longstanding practices or established tagging. An actual example would be really useful here. > Establishment nor longstanding practices shouldn't be valid reasons on their own to justify

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-13 Thread François Lacombe
Hello Le ven. 10 févr. 2023 à 19:29, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> a écrit : > Or to be more specific solved problems, if any, are much smaller than size > of change of longstanding tagging practices. > To me, it's a return of experience matter and a debate we

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Or to be more specific solved problems, if any, are much smaller than size of change of longstanding tagging practices. Deprecation of old-style multipolygons was also change of "longstanding tagging practices" but much smaller in scope and with much greater benefits. I listed some obvious

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-10 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
This is a change to longstanding tagging practices and is therefore dead on arrival. On Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 11:33 AM Cartographer10 via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Tjuro and I started a proposal to formalize the usage of `landcover=*`. > The proposal is now open for feedback >

[Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

2023-02-10 Thread Cartographer10 via Tagging
Tjuro and I started a proposal to formalize the usage of `landcover=*`. The proposal is now open for feedback https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover_proposal_V2 Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page. Kind regards,