Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-27 Thread Jeroen Hoek
On 26-08-2020 14:42, Volker Schmidt wrote: > What is the "saving" n using the cyclestreet=yes tagging? […] > Basically I see no need for separate tags like bicycle_road and > cyclestreet, as you can easily describe their properties with > existing tags. Add to this the confusion between the two

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 14:44, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > In my opinion the "naked " German Fahrradstrasse is equivalent to > highway=service|residential > vehicle=no > foot=use_sidewalk or sidewalk=separate if there is a separate sidewalk > bicycle=designated > maxspeed=30

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread Jo
fietsstraat / rue cyclable are really 'a thing' in Belgium. Usually the whole street is redesigned, it's not just a traffic sign on both ends. Red asphalt, giant flower pots. Car drivers don't seem to realise that they are not allowed to overtake cyclists in most of them though. So that's a bit

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread Volker Schmidt
Yes, there is a legal difference *bicycle_road* A German "Fahrradstrasse" (which is the prototype on which this tag seems to be modeled) is a road exclusively for bicycles in the sense that carries the the sign "Fahrradstrasse" without addition indicates that the carriageway of the road is

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread joost schouppe
> > So putting the Dutch and Belgian thing together but not the German, that > doesn't make much sense. > > > I read this as a suggestion for a third alternative tag? > > N! :) Just saying that there's similar concepts that could have had the same main tag (and different clarifying

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 12:35, joost schouppe wrote: > > So putting the Dutch and Belgian thing together but not the German, that > doesn't make much sense. I read this as a suggestion for a third alternative tag? Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread joost schouppe
Well, in the Netherlands cyclestreet seems to be a "suggestional" traffic sign. In Belgium cyclestreet it has a clear legal meaning. In Germany bicycle_road has a clear (but quite different) legal meaning. So putting the Dutch and Belgian thing together but not the German, that doesn't make much

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I am curious is there any difference in practical use of this two tags. Aug 25, 2020, 12:13 by vosc...@gmail.com: > Hi, > I have come across a new (to me) street sign In Italy: > https://italy-cycling-guide.info/tips-advice/riding-in-italy/ > The road is a one-lane residential road on which

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-25 Thread joost schouppe
Hi Volker, I tried to clarify the German bit on the cyclestreet page. It wasn't clear enough that the German section on cyclestreet had as point to say: "in Germany cyclestreet=* does not exist, they have bicycle_road instead". These two concepts maybe could have had the same tag from the start

[Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-25 Thread Volker Schmidt
Hi, I have come across a new (to me) street sign In Italy: https://italy-cycling-guide.info/tips-advice/riding-in-italy/ The road is a one-lane residential road on which bicycles and pedestrians can circulate. I don't know the legal status, however (I am inquiring). In that contest I have noticed