Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 21/10/2020 00.57, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > The word 'Man' in the Old English sense 'mann' had the primary meaning of >"adult male human" > Citation needed My degree is in Old English (and the other early medieval languages of the British Isles) and I can assure

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Oliver Simmons
NickSent: 21 October 2020 15:28To: Tag discussion, strategy and related toolsSubject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial  在 2020年10月21日週三 17:37,Oliver Simmons <oliversi...@gmail.com> 寫道:Agreed, if we are doing this once, we better have a way to do it again as doing it once guar

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 15:00, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 21/10/2020 00.57, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > Also: > > > The word 'Man' in the Old English sense 'mann' had the primary meaning > of "adult male human" > > Citation needed, particularly as the other thread contains a statement > which

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Phake Nick
re going to break > > > > *From: *Colin Smale > *Sent: *21 October 2020 10:25 > *To: *tagging@openstreetmap.org > *Subject: *Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial > > > > On 2020-10-21 10:59, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > I'll do some more research b

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 21/10/2020 00.57, Robert Delmenico wrote: 'her generic man' has been fixed - it was a typo. now reads: "confirmed that when people read or hear the generic version of 'man', people form mental pictures of males" Citation needed, especially as you imply one but don't (AFAICT?) supply a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Oct 2020, at 06:59, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > "confirmed that when people read or hear the generic version of 'man', people > form mental pictures of males" yes, but it does not mean that people think of men when they read “mankind” or “man_made” or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Oliver Simmons
NickSent: 21 October 2020 10:38To: Tag discussion, strategy and related toolsSubject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial  在 2020年10月21日週三 15:46,Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> 寫道:(I broke my collarbone, so I'm typing one handed and can mistype)On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 9:39 AM

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Phake Nick
在 2020年10月21日週三 15:46,Rory McCann 寫道: > (I broke my collarbone, so I'm typing one handed and can mistype) > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 9:39 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > > (1) I never understood "man made" as > > > "made by

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Oliver Simmons
] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial On 2020-10-21 10:59, Robert Delmenico wrote:I'll do some more research before the vote goes ahead. I've read quite a bit of research around gendered language since first mentioning this idea.   I'll be sure to list them in the proposal but feel free to send through

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-10-21 10:59, Robert Delmenico wrote: > I'll do some more research before the vote goes ahead. I've read quite a bit > of research around gendered language since first mentioning this idea. > > I'll be sure to list them in the proposal but feel free to send through any > sources that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Robert Delmenico
I'll do some more research before the vote goes ahead. I've read quite a bit of research around gendered language since first mentioning this idea. I'll be sure to list them in the proposal but feel free to send through any sources that are both for and against the arguments I have raised. I'm

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
21 Oct 2020, 09:43 by r...@technomancy.org: > (I broke my collarbone, so I'm typing one handed and can mistype) > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 9:39 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > >> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: >> > (1) I never understood "man made" as >> >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Rory McCann
(I broke my collarbone, so I'm typing one handed and can mistype) On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 9:39 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > (1) I never understood "man made" as > > "made by males". > > (4) I would prefer to not use OSM as a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Rory McCann
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > (1) I never understood "man made" as > "made by males". > (4) I would prefer to not use OSM as a tool > to change language, especially if done at > cost of making more complicated for > mappers. AFAIK term "man made" and it's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Yves via Tagging
"Phase 4: All man_made tags to be removed 2031-01-01 00:00 UTC+0" I think that is as reasonable as it could be. Yves Le 21 octobre 2020 04:46:34 GMT+02:00, Robert Delmenico a écrit : >*Link to proposal page:* >https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/artificial >*Definition*: A

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Can you link actual scientific publication? I am willing to change my mind but I would need to check is it tested on some sane sample of people, not "Canadian males going to university with me" (psychology scientific papers are often only "scientific". So I am not going to treat seriously one

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-20 Thread Robert Delmenico
'her generic man' has been fixed - it was a typo. now reads: "confirmed that when people read or hear the generic version of 'man', people form mental pictures of males" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
(1) I never understood "man made" as "made by males". (2) One of primary meanings of "artificial" for me is fake/pretending/misleading, making this new proposed tags confusing, maybe especially for non-native speakers (3) see inherent problems with deprecating highly used tags (4) I would

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-20 Thread Robert Delmenico
*Link to proposal page:* https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/artificial *Definition*: A tag for identifying human-made (artificial) structures added to the landscape. Please discuss this proposal on the discussion page for the proposal. Kind Regards, Robert Delmenico rtbk