Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Place areas

2017-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Jun 2017, at 23:21, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > Regarding names of geographic features - these are rarely verifiable on > the ground, especially for natural objects, verifiability here often is > equivalent to "you get consistent answers if you ask locals about th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Place areas

2017-06-19 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 19 June 2017, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > *Ideally* verified on the ground, but yes, other means of > verifiability can be acceptable. However, the OP in this case > explicitly said that "The extent of a settlement is not explicitly > defined" which certainly thwarts *any* kind of verificati

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Place areas

2017-06-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/19/2017 05:31 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> If you can't point to a sign on the ground, don't map topoynms. > > -1, our criterion for mapping something is that it can be verified, signs are > only a part of it. *Ideally* verified on the ground, but yes, other means of verifiabili

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Place areas

2017-06-19 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
2017-06-19 14:15 GMT+01:00 Frederik Ramm : > If you can't point to a sign on the ground, don't map topoynms. > -1. May be in some urban areas it's usual to find signs for toponyms, but more frequently -mainly in rural and wild areas- the toponyms are in the knowledge of the local people, not in s

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Place areas

2017-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Jun 2017, at 15:15, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > If you can't point to a sign on the ground, don't map topoynms. -1, our criterion for mapping something is that it can be verified, signs are only a part of it. cheers, Martin _

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Place areas

2017-06-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/18/2017 06:59 PM, Joachim wrote: > * The extend of a settlement is not explicitly defined > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_geography). This might lead > to disputes Then we shouldn't map it. > For the first two points I present a solution. For the third I thrust > national/l

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Place areas

2017-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-06-19 12:44 GMT+02:00 Christoph Hormann : > by the way is wrong. Nodes and areas are two abstract concepts within > OSM used to represent elements of reality. While there are features > that would normally be represented as areas that are occasionally as a > simplified representation mapped

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Place areas

2017-06-19 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Sunday 18 June 2017, Joachim wrote: > > Detailed proposal with summary tables: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/place_areas I have to say i don't quite understand what you are actually proposing with the different scenarios described. Also i have some trouble understand

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Place areas

2017-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
While I believe that this is in general a good idea, I don't agree with tagging those place objects with admin_level tags. It would lead to more confusion and I don't see why we would need it, or what it would solve (rather the opposite: it would contradict the place concept of a place being someth

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Place areas

2017-06-18 Thread Joachim
The mapping of settlements as place areas has long been hindered by several problems: * The usability of place=* polygons (huge closed ways, multipolygons) * The centre information would be lost * The extend of a settlement is not explicitly defined (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_geograp