Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-07 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 04.10.2013 21:47, schrieb Richard Fairhurst: John F. Eldredge wrote: That brings up an issue for routing in general, not just cycle-routing. The routing algorithm needs to take into account the day of the week, and what time it will be when you reach a point with time- dependent

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-05 Thread fly
Am 04.10.2013 00:05, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: maybe you can use service_times? It uses the opening_hours syntax and I invented it originally for churches, but it might fit here as well ;-) +1 we should stick to one syntax if possible and the opening_hours' syntax already includes all

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Thanks all - some great suggestions. To clarify, I'm not looking to put detailed timetable information in (that properly belongs in a GTFS feed or somesuch, not OSM), just a broad-brush indication to help routing engines. Based on Richard M's and Janko's suggestions, I'm tempted to use:

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread sabas88
Duration is also important and currently used by OSRM (although not on relations yet), like http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/176323421 Cheers, Stefano ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
sabas88 wrote: Duration is also important and currently used by OSRM Indeed. I actually edited duration out of my OSRM route profile because it gave misleading results for cycling - the router would often head for the nearest long-distance ferry, since ferries are often quicker than cycling,

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Janko Mihelić
2013/10/4 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net To clarify, I'm not looking to put detailed timetable information in (that properly belongs in a GTFS feed or somesuch, not OSM), just a broad-brush indication to help routing engines. That's the beauty of it, my proposed tag can be detailed,

[Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Tilo
Hi, what about the headway tag? This tag is already in use for more than 750 public transport routes (bus, tram, subway). The headway time is given in minutes. This is used for multiple departures per hour and also for only one departure per day. For only one departure per day a headway of 1440

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread John F. Eldredge
Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: sabas88 wrote: Duration is also important and currently used by OSRM Indeed. I actually edited duration out of my OSRM route profile because it gave misleading results for cycling - the router would often head for the nearest long-distance

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency (headway tag)

2013-10-04 Thread Tilo
I've seen this tag the first time in Orlando bus routes. A mapper tagged all bus routes there with this tag. If you think headway is difficult to understand, what tag would you like to prefer? Temporary I thought about interval. Frequency would be a bad solution because this is the reciprocal

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread ael
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 06:36:33PM +0200, Janko Mihelić wrote: That said, I like the journeys=3/day, 5/hour. If we decide to go with it, I can just replace my 3d and 5h with it. I think that would be sensible. I would never be able to remember what your notation meant without looking it up each

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread John F. Eldredge
ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 06:36:33PM +0200, Janko Mihelić wrote: That said, I like the journeys=3/day, 5/hour. If we decide to go with it, I can just replace my 3d and 5h with it. I think that would be sensible. I would never be able to remember what

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Richard Mann
Ah, do you mean the signalling headway, or the planning headway or the operating headway? :o) service_interval=nnn would probably be more en-gb On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 6:46 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: Tilo wrote: what about the headway tag? Perhaps a tag that's

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Dudley Ibbett
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency Thanks all - some great suggestions. To clarify, I'm not looking to put detailed timetable information in (that properly belongs in a GTFS feed or somesuch, not OSM), just a broad-brush indication to help routing engines. Based on Richard M's

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Charles Basenga Kiyanda
is that the timetables and therefore number of journeys a day may depend on the month as there are often summer and winter timetables. Regards Dudley Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 07:28:26 -0700 From: rich...@systemed.net To: Tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency Thanks all - some great

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Tilo
So it seems, that interval is the better term. Of course the service headway is meant. The tagging should be done with routes. Routes are operated on railway lines, streets or waterways. Only railway lines have signaling headways, not routes. Bus routes also don't have signaling headways. If

[Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I'd like to tag approximate ferry frequency in OSM. It's important for routing: something that runs every 10 minutes is likely to be useful for routing purposes; something that runs once a day, less so. Before I go ahead and JFDI, has anyone done this / seen this done, and if so, what tags

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/3 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net I'd like to tag approximate ferry frequency in OSM. It's important for routing: something that runs every 10 minutes is likely to be useful for routing purposes; something that runs once a day, less so. Before I go ahead and JFDI, has anyone

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-03 Thread Richard Mann
I use frequency=6 for 6 buses per hour as a tag on a bus route relation. And journeys=3 for 3 services a day. Interpreting such tags is always likely to be context-sensitive Richard On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: I'd like to tag approximate

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-03 Thread Richard Mann
Yes, that is how I use it - frequency if there's 1/hour or better, journeys if it's less than that. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:35 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: I use frequency=6 for 6 buses per hour as a tag on a bus route

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-03 Thread Janko Mihelić
I have been talking about this on the transit mailing list[1]. I formed a tag that gives us a number of journeys in any given period. It is very flexible, and can be simple and complex. For example, if we want to say there are 3 journeys a day, we would simply have: public_transport:frequency=d3