Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:49 PM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: This contradicts in many cases our current page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features/Units It's not a contradiction, it's a proposal. Computers are very good at removing spaces ( s/ //g ), and converting

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the deletion (or at least move it to the proposal namespace). A simply direct link to Map_Features/Units should be enough. The majority of existing tags have a summary of the Map_Features/Units embedded on their

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-04-03 10:01 GMT+02:00 Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com: I think this template should be deleted or be changed to reflect exactly what Map_Features/Units says. (But probably even a direct link to Map_Features/Units would be easier and clearer – so I don’t see any need for this template.)

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Warin
On 3/04/2015 4:21 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: To try and make unit description consistent here is a proposed template. This would apply to tags like ele, est_width, circumference, height, width, maxwidth, minwidth, distance. A separate table could be made for speed weight. Use as follows:

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Lukas Sommer
It's not a contradiction, it's a proposal. So please move it to the “Proposal/” namespace. 2015-04-03 8:01 GMT, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com: The default unit is _not_ always “meters”. There are tags where the default unit is “meters” (e. g. width) and there are others where the default

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: A wide variety of formats are acceptable: The list that is following this statement doesn’t contain “km”. It seems to be only a list of some non-mandatory examples The template takes a parameter to adapt to different

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Lukas Sommer
The default unit is _not_ always “meters”. There are tags where the default unit is “meters” (e. g. width) and there are others where the default unit is “kilometers” (e. g. distance). “Centimeters” isn’t in the current list of accepted units at

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Lukas Sommer
I'd ask the following be excluded ? cm (used in the clothing and foot ware trades ..not an OSM thing ) cubits I don’t think that there is a need to “exclude” some values (and “allow” anything else). Insteat, I think there is a need to “allow” some values (and exclude anything else).

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:14 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: ele= only takes meters as a unit .. the reason states is that Renderers have no way of doing conversions on the fly to local units while creating image tiles ... and this is an 'approved' tag. That's mapping for the

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Colin Smale
From an IT perspective we should be keeping form and function separate. There are two facts here: 1) the altitude of that point is 14505 ft - it is what it is, whatever units you use. Saying the altitude is 4421.124m is also correct. The value needs a number and a unit, in an agreed format.

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Lukas Sommer
So please move it to the “Proposal/” namespace. That's not possible for a working template, Note the template is not USED, And it should also not be used, because it’s just your personal proposal for a discussion. So there is no need to have a working template. So please move it to the

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Lukas Sommer
The majority of existing tags have a summary of the Map_Features/Units embedded on their own pages. That's a good thing for tl;dr readers. Map_Features/Units isn’t a big wiki page. It’s really short (3 sentences and some tables). Maybe for keys like “width” it could be usefull to have only

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Martin Vonwald
This contradicts in many cases our current page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features/Units * The use of meters is discouraged * cm should not be used generally, maybe only on some specific tags * There should always be a space in front of the unit * Neither feet nor inches should be

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-04-03 9:39 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: It's not a contradiction, it's a proposal. Then you should label it accordingly. Currently it is nowhere identified as proposal. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I am against adding yet another template to wiki, intended to be used as part of article text. Many pages are already obnoxious to edit because on editing it turns out that table is hidden in a template - so it is necessary to open another page. It also promotes explicit numbers (e.g. 20 m) over

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Warin
On 3/04/2015 7:39 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Either way, a cleanup of the recognized units is in order (e.g. km, m/meters/m, ft/feet/foot/ ). I note that; ele= only takes meters as a unit .. the reason states is that Renderers have no way of doing conversions on the fly to local units

Re: [Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-03 Thread Warin
On 3/04/2015 8:33 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:14 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: ele= only takes meters as a unit .. the reason states is that Renderers have no way of doing conversions on the fly to local units while

[Tagging] For your comment: New template: Unit summary

2015-04-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
To try and make unit description consistent here is a proposed template. This would apply to tags like ele, est_width, circumference, height, width, maxwidth, minwidth, distance. A separate table could be made for speed weight. Use as follows: {{Unit_Tagging_Length|tag_name|furlongs}} The