Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

My opinion on this would be as follows... junction=roundabout being anything that's roundaboutlike, where entering traffic yields. junction=mini_roundabout being the same, that does NOT have a hard median in the middle, and is just painted on (rare enough in North America that short of photographi

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

We had plenty of discussion over three days, unfortunately without a resolution. We were discussing specific roundabouts, and what the best router announcements would be in various cases. We did not decide about a value. Currently, OSM defines junction=roundabout with two conditions fulfilled

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On 08.11.2016 16:26, Dave F wrote: I think you're looking at the wrong bit: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/172425897 Indeed, as we were talking about circular structures, I was looking into the road in the north-west of the circle, you refer to the roads in the southeast. http://tinyurl

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On 08/11/2016 14:09, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 08.11.2016 14:35, Dave F wrote: On 08/11/2016 11:07, Daniel Hofmann wrote: In the second example "Skalitzer Straße" has right of way. ... Reichenberger Straße appears to be mapped incorrectly as No. it joins directly into Kottbusser Tor That'

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On 08.11.2016 14:35, Dave F wrote: On 08/11/2016 11:07, Daniel Hofmann wrote: In the second example "Skalitzer Straße" has right of way. ... Reichenberger Straße appears to be mapped incorrectly as No. it joins directly into Kottbusser Tor That's what it does in reality. And it's oneway

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On 08/11/2016 11:07, Daniel Hofmann wrote: In the second example "Skalitzer Straße" has right of way. Are you sure? Reichenberger Straße appears to be mapped incorrectly as it joins directly into Kottbusser Tor & the pedestrian crossing is nearer Kottbusser Tor (note the crossing & path are

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-08 12:43 GMT+01:00 Tom Pfeifer : > When you give the 4th exit in turn instructions, the driver would need to > carefully count the outgoing roads only, not the incoming. Try to > distinguish them while you are in the inner lane in the circle, focussing > on the lane markings and watching c

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On 08.11.2016 12:53, Tom Pfeifer wrote: However it needs to be a positive tag describing the situation, and a negative what it is not. I meant, of course: However it needs to be a positive tag describing the situation, and _*not*_ a negative what it is not. tom

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On 08.11.2016 12:07, Daniel Hofmann wrote: querying for (junction!=roundabout) and (note~"roundabout|Kreisverkehr") The routing engine could do the same parsing note tags. This would allow us to classify probably all popular ones at least. But it's a hack and that's exactly my point: there shou

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-08 12:07 GMT+01:00 Daniel Hofmann : > > it's a total of four turn instructions every 10-20 meter since there is no > proper tag for the routing engine to differentiate this from a road with > four intersections. > Instead the routing engine could emit a single instruction here. what abo

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On 08.11.2016 11:58, Dave F wrote: Why would you want it to "issue special instructions"? Are you askingus to add a 'this is not a roundabout' tag to fool OSRM into thinking it's a roundabout? This is exactly the question we need to ask first, what should the driver experience be? For a small

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

In fact, the tag should be "like-a-roundabout", right? Le 8 novembre 2016 12:07:24 GMT+01:00, Daniel Hofmann a écrit : >In the second example "Skalitzer Straße" has right of way. > >Here are the instructions emitted at the moment: >http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_car&route

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

In the second example "Skalitzer Straße" has right of way. Here are the instructions emitted at the moment: http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_car&route=52.49915%2C13.41952%3B52.49857%2C13.41852#map=19/52.49896/13.41865 it's a total of four turn instructions every 10-20 meter sin

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

Looking at your first routing example, I'm failing to understand what the problem is. As it's not a roundabout OSMR appears to be give clear accurate information. Why would you want it to "issue special instructions"? Are you asking us to add a 'this is not a roundabout' tag to fool OSRM into t

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 23:28 GMT+01:00 Tijmen Stam : > I have never heard that rule! > In the Netherlands the order of priority is > > 1 traffic signallers (i.e. "appointed" people) > 2 traffic lights > 3 traffic signs and road markings (on equal level) > 4 rules of the road > You are completely right, and

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On 07-11-16 17:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2016-11-07 17:34 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić mailto:jan...@gmail.com>>: Here is an example of a not-a-roundabout without lights: https://goo.gl/maps/TVuMRZs59Kk It even has a roundabout sign, but the right

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

sent from a phone > Il giorno 07 nov 2016, alle ore 22:05, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha > scritto: > > If these same intersections are to become traffic light controlled then a > creating a roundabout is simply putting off the expenditure. now you build the roundabouts and later your su

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On 08-Nov-16 05:25 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: For the benefit of USAians - Polo mints are shaped enough like LifeSavers to have been the subject of much trademark litigation among Kraft Foods, Mars UK and Swizzels Matlow. On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Kevin Kenny

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

Wrong - the lights are on top of the priority rules of the roundabout, not instead of them. If the lights are not operating, be that due to a time switch or a defect, what remains is still a roundabout. //colin On 7 November 2016 21:59:45 GMT+05:30, Bill Ricker wrote: >On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

For the benefit of USAians - Polo mints are shaped enough like LifeSavers to have been the subject of much trademark litigation among Kraft Foods, Mars UK and Swizzels Matlow. On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > For the benefit of USAians - Polo mints are shaped enough like Life

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On Mon, 2016-11-07 at 11:29 -0500, Bill Ricker wrote: > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Dave F > wrote: > > > > From a quick look on Streetview all junctions appear to be light > > controlled. > > > Light controlled roundabouts are NOT roundabouts, right ? > They most certainly are roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 18:18 GMT+01:00 Tom Pfeifer : > > The only contradiction is that there should be no blue roundabout sign, as > long as that regulates priority in the local traffic law. this is indeed the question (priority in croatia because of roundabout sign), because if there's a contradiction, i

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On 07.11.2016 17:09, Dave F wrote: Hi Daniel Second example: Which junction has priority? From a quick look on Streetview all junctions appear to be light controlled. In Berlin, from where the examples are taken, you have unlit give-way+main-street signage even when the junction is light cont

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On 07.11.2016 17:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2016-11-07 17:34 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić Here is an example of a not-a-roundabout without lights: https://goo.gl/maps/TVuMRZs59Kk It even has a roundabout sign, but the right of way is clear through

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 17:34 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : > Here is an example of a not-a-roundabout without lights: > > https://goo.gl/maps/TVuMRZs59Kk > > It even has a roundabout sign, but the right of way is clear through signs > on the ground. actually in case of selfcontradicting signage, the vertical s

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 17:09 GMT+01:00 Dave F : > Second example: Which junction has priority? From a quick look on > Streetview all junctions appear to be light controlled. what about light controlled junctions that are so only part of the day and (e.g. at night) they are behaving like ordinary roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

Here is an example of a not-a-roundabout without lights: https://goo.gl/maps/TVuMRZs59Kk It even has a roundabout sign, but the right of way is clear through signs on the ground. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.op

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Dave F wrote: > From a quick look on Streetview all junctions appear to be light controlled. Light controlled roundabouts are NOT roundabouts, right ? -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux ___

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

Hi Daniel Second example: Which junction has priority? From a quick look on Streetview all junctions appear to be light controlled. Could you expand on what 'special instructions' the routing engine is not able to issue? DaveF On 07/11/2016 14:30, Daniel Hofmann wrote: Over at OSRM we're n

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Daniel Hofmann wrote: > > 4/ Not-a-Roundabout (what this post is about) > There are situations where one of the entering road has right of way, which > disqualifies the scenario for being classified as a roundabout. The Wiki has > a section on these Not-a-Roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

Previous discussion: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-June/017805.html Some people suggested `junction=traffic_circle` It’s used in taginfo a few times but pretty unofficial and rare. Bryan > On N

[Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

Over at OSRM we're not only doing Routing on OSM but also Guidance for users once a suitable route is found. In order to make the user experience great and the instructions pleasant to use we differentiate between 1/ Roundabouts Think: "at the roundabout take the nth exit" 2/ Roundabout Intersect