Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Made some changes to the proposal to delete reference to helicopters & "rescue-related sites", which will probably both become their own proposals, but your thoughts & comments are still welcome! Thanks Graeme On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 at 10:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 17 Dec

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On Sat, 17 Dec 2022 at 18:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > 17 gru 2022, 01:19 od graemefi...@gmail.com: > > The other issue with the currently mapped info is that most of it appears > to have come from an unauthorised source. > > Can you link problematic

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

17 gru 2022, 01:19 od graemefi...@gmail.com: > > > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 17:55, Marc_marc <> marc_m...@mailo.com> > wrote: > >> Le 16.12.22 à 08:30, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : >> >> > In this case amenity=lifeboat is - I expect - used to map lifeboat >> > stationing place, not

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Further thoughts re air rescue, please. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/emergency%3Dlifeboat_station#Air_rescue Thanks Graeme On Sat, 17 Dec 2022 at 11:05, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Possibly combine all existing tags under a new top tag > emergency=water_rescue?

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Possibly combine all existing tags under a new top tag emergency=water_rescue? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/emergency%3Dlifeboat_station#Replace_emergency=lifeboat_station_with_emergency=water_rescue Thoughts & comments please? Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 17:55, Marc_marc wrote: > Le 16.12.22 à 08:30, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : > > > In this case amenity=lifeboat is - I expect - used to map lifeboat > > stationing place, not lifeboat itself > > of course, like marina doesn't map boats but the mooring area >

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Le 16.12.22 à 08:30, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : 16 gru 2022, 02:51 od graemefi...@gmail.com: On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:59, Andy Townsend mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com>> wrote: doesn't explain why "amenity=lifeboat" is "deprecated".  Like it or not, this is used

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

16 gru 2022, 02:51 od graemefi...@gmail.com: > > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:59, Andy Townsend <> ajt1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> doesn't explain why "amenity=lifeboat" is "deprecated".  Like it or >> not, this is used exactly how you'd expect: >> >> >>

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 12:15, Andy Townsend wrote: > Most of the time, yes they can* - 8000 launches per year between 400 > lifeboats is on average 20 per year. If we take a guess at 8 hours per > launch, it's there 98% of the time. > By those numbers, yep, perfectly correct! But those 8000

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On 16/12/2022 01:51, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:59, Andy Townsend wrote: doesn't explain why "amenity=lifeboat" is "deprecated".  Like it or not, this is used exactly how you'd expect: https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#20/54.48811/-0.61310

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:59, Andy Townsend wrote: > doesn't explain why "amenity=lifeboat" is "deprecated". Like it or not, > this is used exactly how you'd expect: > > https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#20/54.48811/-0.61310 > But as I've pointed out a couple of times before, by

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On 15/12/2022 23:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: & it's also a shame that they couldn't have been mentioned as unresolved when I said twice that it was ready to go to voting! I think that any "reading of the room" yesterday (when it was moved to voting) would suggest that the issues raised

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Voting cancelled to discuss issues. On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 23:53, Marc_marc wrote: > > it's a shame to have gone to the vote without resolving the 5 issues raised > & it's also a shame that they couldn't have been mentioned as unresolved when I said twice that it was ready to go to voting!

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Le 15.12.22 à 04:25, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : No further comments or discussion so moved to voting: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency%3Dlifeboat_station#Voting it's a

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

No further comments or discussion so moved to voting: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency%3Dlifeboat_station#Voting Thanks Graeme On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 12:59, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > I've made a minor change to the format of the possible tags to include. > >

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

I've made a minor change to the format of the possible tags to include. If there are no more comments, I'll move to voting in the next day or two. Thanks Graeme On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 at 00:33, Marc_marc wrote: > Le 07.12.22 à 07:31, Warin a écrit : > > > > On 7/12/22 01:54, Marc_marc wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Le 07.12.22 à 07:31, Warin a écrit : On 7/12/22 01:54, Marc_marc wrote: Le 06.12.22 à 00:47, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-November/066540.html Are there any further comments that anybody would like to raise? I have not issue with

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On 6/12/22 21:51, Tom Pfeifer wrote: Still does not resolve my problem with a water rescue station where there is no boat. I don't see a requirement for a boat? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dlifeboat_station Specifically mentions other things like helicopters.

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On 7/12/22 01:54, Marc_marc wrote: Le 06.12.22 à 00:47, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-November/066540.html Are there any further comments that anybody would like to raise? I have not issue with merging 3-4 tags with the same meaning

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 00:57, Marc_marc wrote: > > - what are we mapping ? reading the description, this seems to be more > of a landuse=ermergency than mapping an emergency service i.e. where > you can go to get a service > The land-based location of emergency groups dedicated to the saving of

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 20:54, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Still does not resolve my problem with a water rescue station where there > is no boat. > > Before people ask again how that is possible - they might have their boats > mooring at changing > locations without a station, but the station is not

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Le 06.12.22 à 00:47, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-November/066540.html Are there any further comments that anybody would like to raise? I have not issue with merging 3-4 tags with the same meaning but : - what are we mapping ? reading

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Still does not resolve my problem with a water rescue station where there is no boat. Before people ask again how that is possible - they might have their boats mooring at changing locations without a station, but the station is not directly at one of the rivers/lakes. tom On 06.12.2022

[Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Bringing this forward to the new month. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-November/066540.html Are there any further comments that anybody would like to raise? To sum-up, proposal is to: Approve emergency=lifeboat_station Deprecate emergency=marine_rescue & merge it's

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Mapping standard location of lifeboat mooring or lifeboat station location seems entirely fine. (I am person who added this claim to wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:building%3Dhouseboat=1931553=1797928 ) 27 lis 2022, 02:03 od graemefi...@gmail.com: > In regard to

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

In regard to mapping the location of a lifeboat, just noticed this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=6952187784#map=19/53.09914/5.94569 & the wiki for houseboats https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building=houseboat, states " Houseboats that are moving are not mappable in OSM". I

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Further suggestion to combine all water-rescue activities under emergency=water_rescue as an effective top tag: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/emergency%3Dlifeboat_station#Another_option:_emergency=water_rescue Thanks Graeme On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 at 12:01, Graeme

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Discussions on the Talk page mentioned groups such as these https://wsart.org.uk/, who assist Emergency Services (Police, Fire & Ambulance) with water search & rescue. Have mentioned them in the proposal as emergency_service=water Thanks Graeme On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 at 09:35, Graeme Fitzpatrick

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 19:05, Jez Nicholson wrote: > When the lifeboat is permanently moored at a particular location it is > less transitory than a busso people can and do tag them. Not me > necessarily, but other mappers. > True, but can you guarantee that I can walk up to that spot

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 20:55, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Past discussion on burger vans etc lead to the understanding that if > something was, for the majority of the time, found at a certain location > then OSM should map it. > True, but part of the argument there was that the van

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 19:12, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Some ships and boats don't move much... as they are part of museums ... > On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 20:55, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > HMS Belfast in London is mapped as building=ship, for all intents is it > permanent

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On 24/11/22 20:37, Nathan Case wrote: On 24/11/2022 09:07, Warin wrote: Some ships and boats don't move much... as they are part of museums ... Something that is part of a museum, and is genuinely permanently secured, seems very different to an emergency response vehicle (which a lifeboat

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On 24/11/2022 09:07, Warin wrote: Some ships and boats don't move much... as they are part of museums ... Something that is part of a museum, and is genuinely permanently secured, seems very different to an emergency response vehicle (which a lifeboat is for all intents and purposes). I'd

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On 24/11/22 11:25, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 09:29, Andy Townsend wrote: Why not both? Because a boat is a mobile feature, that we don't / can't map? e.g https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=349559642#map=19/-27.42815/153.08582 - we don't try to map the

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

When the lifeboat is permanently moored at a particular location it is less transitory than a busso people can and do tag them. Not me necessarily, but other mappers. So, my request that amenity=lifeboat be removed from the proposal's list of incorrect tags as it is *not* a lifeboat station.

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 09:29, Andy Townsend wrote: > > Why not both? > Because a boat is a mobile feature, that we don't / can't map? e.g https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=349559642#map=19/-27.42815/153.08582 - we don't try to map the last bus in the middle row as #632 > Taking an

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On 23/11/2022 22:23, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: But we're supposed to be tagging the base / buildings, not the boat itself. Why not both? Taking an example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8321217532 * amenity = lifeboat * emergency = marine_rescue * lifeboat = offshore *

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 at 19:12, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > Is amenity=lifeboat actually wrong? > No, not really, but why have amenity=lifeboat & emergency=lifeboat (& sometimes emergency=marine_rescue) both tagged on the same feature? > The ones in the UK at least are actual lifeboats, showing

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Re: deprecating amenity=lifeboat Is amenity=lifeboat actually wrong? The ones in the UK at least are actual lifeboats, showing where they are moored, probably with a lifeboat station nearby. On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 1:00 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Following our previous discussions, I've

[Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Following our previous discussions, I've now raised a proposal to proceed with these changes: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency%3Dlifeboat_station Please comment in whichever of the 3 places that you prefer, & I'll attempt to keep on top of all of them! :-) Thanks