Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Rory McCann wrote: > Both of the example maps of Russia/Ukraine and India/Pakistan > require the use of another data set. Which is a shame. One should > be able to generate that from OSM entirely. Why? OSM's selling point is not "all geodata, ever, in one place". OSM's selling point is personal

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-19 Thread Colin Smale
I see two parallel subjects here: 1) how do we represent disputed borders and "different versions of the truth" in OSM 2) how do we use that mechanism responsibly Whatever criteria are used for 2), the chances are there is always going to be a need for 1). //colin On 2016-05-19 12:08, Mart

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-05-19 11:55 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole : > The current mapping of de-facto boundaries of effective control is > easily defensible and has a certain logic that even the greatest > nationalists typically will accept (that knowing who really controls an > area is helpful in avoiding getting killed).

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-19 Thread Simon Poole
As somebody who regularly has to respond to complaints from officials and others on boundary matters, I fail to see how mapping additional borders (and a lot of them, given that there are nearly no countries without disputes) is going to help. Matter of fact it is guaranteed to make things worse an

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-05-19 10:05 GMT+02:00 Rory McCann : > I'm not suggesting mapping every little "someone in $COUNTRY thinks > $AREA should be in their country", I'm suggesting mapping areas which > governments claim. Imagine you had to make a map for the government of > $COUNTRY, and they required the borders

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-19 Thread Rory McCann
On 07/05/16 11:54, Andy Townsend wrote: > The problem with answering Rory's original question directly is that in > OSM we try and "map what's on the ground", and don't map stuff that's > never going to happen (for example, if a village thinks that it'd be > really nice if there was a bypass around

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-05-07 11:54 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend : > and it'd be helpful to gather them together. +1, I started a page but then noticed I didn't have the time to continue, but it's in the wiki ;-) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DisputedTerritories Cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 07 mag 2016, alle ore 11:54, Andy Townsend ha > scritto: > > It can be really difficult to separate loud but unrepresentative voices from > the actual situation on the ground. it's worth mentioning that not all disputed borders are on the ground, some are on

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-07 Thread Andy Townsend
On 07/05/2016 10:34, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Rory McCann > wrote: Hi, The subject of disputed country borders came up on help.osm.org again[1], specifically about India and the Kashmir area. There

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-07 Thread Andy Townsend
On 06/05/2016 14:03, Marc Gemis wrote: there is already a proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/DisputedTerritories m. Well, there's a wiki page, but among other things it says "If, you feel cappabale to invent a tag system for such purposes, edit this page", so it'

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > Hi, > > The subject of disputed country borders came up on help.osm.org > again[1], specifically about India and the Kashmir area. There might be > a way to solve this issue. Currently OSM tags the de facto country > borders. But what if we als

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-06 Thread Marc Gemis
there is already a proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/DisputedTerritories m. On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Rory McCann wrote: > Hi, > > The subject of disputed country borders came up on help.osm.org > again[1], specifically about India and the Kashmir area. There m

[Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-06 Thread Rory McCann
Hi, The subject of disputed country borders came up on help.osm.org again[1], specifically about India and the Kashmir area. There might be a way to solve this issue. Currently OSM tags the de facto country borders. But what if we also mapped the borders of country X according to country Y? In th