Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
Can anyone state that in her/his country this traffic_sign is official and not made up by some people ? Not my country, but in the UK it's listed here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/schedule/5/made Some countries have a blanket allowance for using a text only sign when no

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Frankl2009
The Dutch example is based on a local (municipal) ordinance which regulates whether you are allowed to walk your bicycle in this pedestrian zone. So, it is a real regulation (but it is not an example of a bicycle dismount regulation). Bicycles are not allowed at all, so a bicycle=no tag could

[Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread fly
Hey I wonder if it is useful to tag bicycle=dismount on ways. At least in Germany there is no official traffic sign despite of the existence of some. You are allowed to push your bike on every footway/pedestrian plus ways with vehicle=no. E.g. it is useless. Either you are allowed to ride

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/7 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com You are allowed to push your bike on every footway/pedestrian plus ways with vehicle=no. E.g. it is useless. Either you are allowed to ride (bicycle=yes/designated) or not (bicycle=no or vehicle=no) I agree that bicycle=dismount seems useless, at

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/7/13 12:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/10/7 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com mailto:lowfligh...@googlemail.com You are allowed to push your bike on every footway/pedestrian plus ways with vehicle=no. E.g. it is useless. Either you are allowed to ride

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread fly
On 07.10.2013 18:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/10/7 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net it has implications for routing of bicycles. bicycle=no will mean that it will never be used on a bicycle route. bicycle=dismount would indicate

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Mike N
On 10/7/2013 12:27 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: bicycle=no indicates that you cannot (legally) ride your bicycle there. If you dismount and push you become a pedestrian, so you are not riding a bicycle and bicycle=no has no effect on you. There are wilderness trails where no wheels are

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread fly
On 07.10.2013 18:48, John F. Eldredge wrote: On some bridges that have a relatively narrow footway, I have seen signs indicating that bicyclists must dismount. So, I think that it is useful as a way of telling someone planning a cycle route you will have to move at walking speed on this

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread John F. Eldredge
On 10/07/2013 11:59 AM, fly wrote: On 07.10.2013 18:48, John F. Eldredge wrote: On some bridges that have a relatively narrow footway, I have seen signs indicating that bicyclists must dismount. So, I think that it is useful as a way of telling someone planning a cycle route you will have to

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread fly
On 07.10.2013 19:08, John F. Eldredge wrote: On 10/07/2013 11:59 AM, fly wrote: On 07.10.2013 18:48, John F. Eldredge wrote: On some bridges that have a relatively narrow footway, I have seen signs indicating that bicyclists must dismount. So, I think that it is useful as a way of telling

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On Oct 7, 2013 7:00 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: On 07.10.2013 18:48, John F. Eldredge wrote: On some bridges that have a relatively narrow footway, I have seen signs indicating that bicyclists must dismount. So, I think that it is useful as a way of telling someone planning a

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread fly
On 07.10.2013 19:33, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On Oct 7, 2013 7:00 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com mailto:lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: On 07.10.2013 18:48, John F. Eldredge wrote: On some bridges that have a relatively narrow footway, I have seen signs indicating that bicyclists must

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Richard Fairhurst
dieterdreist wrote: bicycle=no indicates that you cannot (legally) ride your bicycle there. If you dismount and push you become a pedestrian, so you are not riding a bicycle and bicycle=no has no effect on you. That may not be the case in the UK. The law allows walkers and their usual

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Ole Nielsen
On 07/10/2013 21:42, Richard Fairhurst wrote: dieterdreist wrote: bicycle=no indicates that you cannot (legally) ride your bicycle there. If you dismount and push you become a pedestrian, so you are not riding a bicycle and bicycle=no has no effect on you. That may not be the case in the UK.

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/7 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl Just to be clear: do you mean that you always have to dismount on footpaths, even without the sign, or do you mean that you don't need to dismount, despite the presence of the sign? you will always have to dismount, so the sign has no

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/7 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl At least in the Netherlands you have to distinguish between bicycle=no and bicycle=dismount. Some pedestrian streets are explicitly signed with no bicycle pushing. In other words you may not bring your bicycle here. Thus you need bicycle=no in its strict

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
Martin Koppenhoefer: Btw.: What about monocycles? Are you alled to carry a monocycle in these streets? What would the traffic ticket claim as the offence? FWIW, our law has a clause that on a footway a pedestrian may not push a bike, moped, kicksled, ski or skate or carry a big load if it can

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/7 Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi FWIW, our law has a clause that on a footway a pedestrian may not push a bike, moped, kicksled, ski or skate or carry a big load if it can cause considerable hindrance to others. This list doesn't contain babystrollers, does the situation

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread fly
On 07.10.2013 23:06, Ole Nielsen wrote: On 07/10/2013 21:42, Richard Fairhurst wrote: dieterdreist wrote: bicycle=no indicates that you cannot (legally) ride your bicycle there. If you dismount and push you become a pedestrian, so you are not riding a bicycle and bicycle=no has no effect on

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-07 Thread Matthijs Melissen
At least in the Netherlands you have to distinguish between bicycle=no and bicycle=dismount. Some pedestrian streets are explicitly signed with no bicycle pushing. I never heard of that, what sign do you mean? In which contexts is out used? Do you have a picture by any chance? -- Matthijs

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