2014-05-18 14:43 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com:
Honest question: are there capitals for something besides countries and
states?
Not sure what qualifies as a capital, but in Italy for instance there is no
such thing like a state. There are regions (Regione, admin_level 4) and
2014-05-18 15:13 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
However, its most used value (capital=8)
makes little sense (that represents the capital of an admin_level=8
area, which would be the capital of a city!; I think those mappers
meant this capital is a city :P).
I don't
Am Sonntag, den 18.05.2014, 09:43 -0300 schrieb John Packer:
Honest question: are there capitals for something besides countries and
states?
There are capitals identical with states. E.g. Hamburg, Germany. Also
Berlin, Bremen. At the same time Berlin is, of course, the capital of
Germany.
I
Honest question: are there capitals for something besides countries and
states?
If not, we could keep it simple:
* capital=yes for country capitals
* state_capital=yes for state capitals (already in use in some parts of
America http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/state_capital#map).
PS:
Following from TagInfo's link, if we adopt the most used practice as
de facto, that would be capital=[lowest admin_level of respective
regions], by a large margin. However, its most used value (capital=8)
makes little sense (that represents the capital of an admin_level=8
area, which would be the
Am 5/18/14 14:43 , schrieb John Packer:
Honest question: are there capitals for something besides countries and
states?
If not, we could keep it simple:
* capital=yes for country capitals
* state_capital=yes for state capitals (already in use in some parts of
America
Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:43 PM John Pakker wrote:
Honest question: are there capitals for something besides countries and states?
Italy has both regions and provinces.
For example:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abruzzo (Region) Capital: L'Aquila
-
Oberallgäu is currently mapped as a political (not an administrative)
boundary, so Sonthofen would be neither a capital, nor an
administrative center of any relation. Correctly, its node has no
capital=* or admin_level=* tags.
Swabia, on the other hand, has its government seat in Augsburg, and
These could be tagged as follows:
- Italy's admin. boundary relation: admin_level=2
- Rome's node: capital=2
- Lazio's admin. boundary relation: admin_level=4
- Province of Rome's admin. boundary relation: admin_level=6
- City of Rome's admin. boundary relation: admin_level=8
And:
- Abruzzo's
Correction: renderers would not be interested in knowing what Rome is
a capital of to render an icon and a label for it, but only what kind
of capital it is (country capital, state capital, province capital,
etc.).
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Fernando Trebien
fernando.treb...@gmail.com
On May 18, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Andreas Goss wrote:
Am 5/18/14 14:43 , schrieb John Packer:
Honest question: are there capitals for something besides countries and
states?
If not, we could keep it simple:
* capital=yes for country capitals
* state_capital=yes for state capitals (already in
Am 5/19/14 02:27 , schrieb Fernando Trebien:
Oberallgäu is currently mapped as a political (not an administrative)
boundary, so Sonthofen would be neither a capital, nor an
administrative center of any relation. Correctly, its node has no
capital=* or admin_level=* tags.
2014-05-15 2:51 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
And some of these relations (though far from the top of the list) are
not assigned an admin_centre role, even though the node exists.
btw.: The current definition for administrative relations says that
admin_centre should
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
btw.: The current definition for administrative relations says that
admin_centre should be used one or no time in the relation, but what if
there is more than one admin_centre, e.g. entities where the
2014-05-15 13:09 GMT+02:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
Why not. But the definition shall be clear : it's only the
administrative(s) centre(s) place(s) to be linked. The risk if we
don't specify a limit is that contributors will use it to link all
places within the boundary (making a substitute
Interesting. So it is in fact a rendered-related issue. Since you've
pointed out exactly where the problem is in the code, wouldn't it be
better to just submit a fix and standardize the mapping practice on
capital=[lowest admin_level of related boundary relations]? AFAIK this
should only affect
(because of current mapnik rules capital=yes should be preferred over
capital=2, as the style sheet only takes account of capital=yes or not yes:
*https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/project.mml
It is currently used in states to indicate where to place the node of the
state name, because the administrative centre of a state tends to be the
same as it's capital city administrative centre.
(example of the label role: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/539668890)
Not necessarily though.
Sorry, I meant the adminstrative centre of the state's capital city
It is currently used in states to indicate where to place the node of the
state name, because the administrative centre of a state tends to be the
same as *the state's *capital city administrative centre.
2014-05-15 9:23
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Matthijs Melissen
i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:
Some more strange cases:
We could create an additional role (e.g. capital) when the
admin_centre is not the capital (and only in this case to avoid
unnecessary duplicates).
Pieren
On 5/15/14 8:57 AM, Pieren wrote:
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Matthijs Melissen
i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:
Some more strange cases:
We could create an additional role (e.g. capital) when the
admin_centre is not the capital (and only in this case to avoid
unnecessary duplicates).
Am 15.05.2014 14:57, schrieb Pieren:
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Matthijs Melissen
i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:
Some more strange cases:
We could create an additional role (e.g. capital) when the
admin_centre is not the capital (and only in this case to avoid
unnecessary
On 15/05/2014 13:23, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
- The administrative centre of a region might be licated outside the
region in administers. For example, the city of Częstochowa is the
administrative centre of Częstochowa county, but the city is not part
of the county (the county forms a ring
2014-05-15 15:12 GMT+02:00 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net:
We could create an additional role (e.g. capital) when the
admin_centre is not the capital (and only in this case to avoid
unnecessary duplicates).
some definitions to keep in mind:
capital - a city serving as a seat of
Am 5/15/14 16:30 , schrieb fly:
Regarding the original discussion I am in favour of using
capital=[2-10]* if an additional tag is needed. The semicolon (;) is
defined as value separator so we could have capital=4;6;8 or similar.
This just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I also don't
2014-05-15 18:32 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de:
The semicolon (;) is
defined as value separator so we could have capital=4;6;8 or similar.
This just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I also don't see why
it would be needed.
You are doubling the risk of errors when it
Wait a minute.
As far as I understood, the key capital=* isn't supposed to simply
substitute admin_level.
capital=2 means this city (which the node represents) is the capital city
of this country (which has admin_level=2).
capital=4 means this city (which the node represents) is the capital city
2014-05-15 18:52 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com:
Wait a minute.
As far as I understood, the key capital=* isn't supposed to simply
substitute admin_level.
capital=2 means this city (which the node represents) is the capital city
of this country (which has admin_level=2).
I'd see it like this:
capital=2 this place is the capital of a country
capital=4 this place is the capital of a region (etc.)
i.e. you can see the administrative importance, but there is no notion
of which entity the place is the capital.
capital=2;4 doesn't make much sense then.
You
Am 15.05.2014 18:32, schrieb Andreas Goss:
Am 5/15/14 16:30 , schrieb fly:
Regarding the original discussion I am in favour of using
capital=[2-10]* if an additional tag is needed.
I meant additional to the roles for the boundary relation above (cutted).
admin_centre for 1 or more nodes
Tagging capital=* or admin_level=* on a place is IMHO not to be done
lightly. It is not actually an attribute of the place at all, because if
you moved the place to e.g. the middle of the Atlantic Ocean it would no
longer be a capital. It is an attribute of the relationship between the
place
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
It is not actually an attribute of the place at all, because if you
moved the place to e.g. the middle of the Atlantic Ocean it would no longer
be a capital. It is an attribute of the relationship between the place and
Interesting. So how is capital=* being used in Europe?
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:
Am 5/13/14 17:40 , schrieb Fernando Trebien:
So if you know how it's being done
in yours, or if you can try figuring it out, please take a minute to
describe it
Am 5/14/14 17:06 , schrieb Fernando Trebien:
Interesting. So how is capital=* being used in Europe?
Just running the overpass API with capital* over some countries:
Spain: Using capital=8 extensivly (!!!) together with admin_level=8 not
really using 4 or 6 though.
France, Italy have some
... Czech Republic taginfo=capital what do you mean?
So it seems that, except for Russia, the most common practice is as
described in
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/capital#Notes_on_actual_usage
. We should probaby vote on this proposal now and make this the
default
... Czech Republic taginfo=capital what do you mean?
Ooops. Must have deleted a line there. Bascally they are not using
capital= at all apart for some exceptions as you can also see on taginfo.
We should probaby vote on this proposal now and make this the
default practice. This makes
Following from Aleksandr Dezhin's Why not use admin_level=* without
capital=yes? in that wiki talk page, why not? Any place=city/town
with admin_level=2 is a country capital. Any place=city/town/village
with admin_level=4 is a state capital (at least in Brazil). This would
remove the need for a
Am 5/14/14 23:29 , schrieb Fernando Trebien:
Any place=city/town/village
with admin_level=4 is a state capital (at least in Brazil).
What about your capital? According to Wikkipedia that's a capital of the
Federal District, too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bras%C3%ADlia
__
Brasília is the only exception which is a capital of two different
administrative levels. And both the relations for the federal district
[1] and the country [2] correctly express that idea. I know it's not a
rule that applies to every country, and precisely because of that it
would make even more
Am 5/15/14 01:10 , schrieb Fernando Trebien:
Brasília is the only exception which is a capital of two different
administrative levels. And both the relations for the federal district
[1] and the country [2] correctly express that idea.
As long as you only look at admin_level=2 and =4 But even
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:
Exacly, so why tag the level number on the node when we have relations and
can incude the capitals as role:admin_centre? And then there are no
exceptions. Which is how it is usually done here in Germany.
I've checked the
Following from the previous discussion
(https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-May/017515.html),
it seems clear we would all like to know how these tags are being
employed in each other's country. So if you know how it's being done
in yours, or if you can try figuring it out,
None of them have admin_level=* tags. should have been None of them
have admin_level=* tags on the nodes, only in relations.
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Fernando Trebien
fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote:
Following from the previous discussion
More information:
All 48 nodes with capital=10 have admin_level=10
19 nodes out of 122 with capital=7 also have admin_level=7
21 nodes out of 331 with capital=6 also have admin_level=6 (this one came
from that Spain import)
94 nodes out of 427 with capital=4 also have admin_level=4
182 nodes out
Am 5/13/14 17:40 , schrieb Fernando Trebien:
So if you know how it's being done
in yours, or if you can try figuring it out, please take a minute to
describe it here briefly.
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/state_capital#map
Pretty much answers that for state_capital=. Outside North
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