Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-20 19:13 GMT+02:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: Most known caves are dry. I know because I have been in thousands of them. being dry doesn't mean they are not water-related. beaches also often are dry. please don't take wikipedia as your one and only reference. I

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-17 19:25 GMT+02:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: A cave is a hollow mould, thus a landform (or a georelief element, or whatever). I own several books on geomorphology, and each of them has a chapter on caves. If we did what you propose it would still be arbitrarily divided as

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-20 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 20.10.2014 17:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I propose to put beach in landforms and cave in water-related. Also coastline could go into landforms. And moor into landforms. And mud in water-related. What about putting fell into landforms? ... Most known caves are dry. I know because I have

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-07 15:56 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: Hi Martin, regarding the wiki page, I'm assuming you're talking about Frankthetankk's edits? I'm not seeing what the issue is. Could you clarify what change you see as disputable? sorry for taking that long to respond, I've

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-17 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 17.10.2014 15:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: mountains related - a cave doesn't have to be in the mountains - a cliff doesn't have to be in the mountains - a glacier is water related and temperature related, but it doesn't require mountains - a rock can't only be found in the mountains -

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-17 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 17.10.2014 15:49, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 17.10.2014 15:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: mountains related - a cave doesn't have to be in the mountains - a cliff doesn't have to be in the mountains - a glacier is water related and temperature related, but it doesn't require mountains

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-17 15:49 GMT+02:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: Let's rename mountain related to landforms and move glacier to water related, and everything is fine. a cave entrance isn't a landform. The issues with vegetation related would persist. Wikipedia says about landforms: A *landform*

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-17 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 17.10.2014 16:29, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: a cave entrance isn't a landform. There are several similar terms, like georelief elements. I don't know which one fits best. Anyway, these consist of one or more of: full forms hollow moulds flat forms A cave is a hollow mould, thus a landform

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 07/ott/2014, alle ore 19:40, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com ha scritto: For example it's not clear to me whether you would accept natural=tree (see my first point), but since there are more than 4 million of them, I think you are going to have to accept them. I'm in a

[Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
According to the wiki, the natural key is currently a mixture of different aspects of something. The wiki states that it covers a selection of geological and landcover features. My suggestion is to keep only geological/geographical features in natural (all three, point features like peak and

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-07 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Hi Martin, regarding the wiki page, I'm assuming you're talking about Frankthetankk's edits? I'm not seeing what the issue is. Could you clarify what change you see as disputable? Thanks, Brad On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: snip Additionally

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-07 Thread Malcolm Herring
+1 if it means that the rendering of these features is done according to whatever is agreed. I have a particular interest in coastal and tidal riverbank areas. I had tagged some such areas some years ago according to the Wiki and the rendering was as expected. Since the introduction of Carto,

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Now recently, the zoom rules between mud and sand/beach have diverged. - I consider this as a bug and I plan on fixing it in the near future (see https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1018 ). 2014-10-07 16:49 GMT+02:00 Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com: +1 if

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-07 Thread Dan S
Hi Martin, OK, well since you requested comments: Firstly, I find it difficult to understand what makes your proposed split more coherent or easy to learn than thewiki- grouping that you propose to revert! By the way please don't start a revert battle without first talking to that editor.