Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

2018-01-01 Thread Volker Schmidt
Similar tagging scheme, yes, but with a big functional difference, that is, they appear on single-lane roads and can be used in both directions, independently of the side of the road they are on. My starting question was specifically for emergency bays on two-lane roads where, typically, you could

Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

2018-01-01 Thread Marc Gemis
Another one that is similar is passing place: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpassing_place Seems to be rather similar to emergency_bay in tagging methodology. m. On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Emergency bays and bus bays are physically very similar, i

Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

2018-01-01 Thread Volker Schmidt
Emergency bays and bus bays are physically very similar, i.e. a short piece of an additional lane on a road. Unfortunately the two tags highway=emergency_bay and bus_bay=both|left|right use very different approaches to describing essential the same physical arrangement. bus_bay=both|left|right

Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

2018-01-01 Thread Jo
For bus bays the way is split twice, creating an extra segment. At that point it's easy to use left/right/both. This is the same principle that is used when tagging turn lanes near crossings. I'm sure there are people who don't like splitting ways in ever smaller pieces, but that ship has sailed.

Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

2018-01-01 Thread Marc Gemis
for bus_bays the wiki defines left/right/both (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bus_bay) It makes sense to use the same I think. m. On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > The tag highway=emergency_bay as node is in use 3700 times, even though it > is still only a propos

Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

2017-12-31 Thread Paul Johnson
Also replying to myself...the high camera angle is misleading, you're not getting over that ridge in a controlled manner; it's just tall enough that even my pickup (a Chevy C2500) will not clear it without high-centering (and breaking off the running boards in the process). On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at

Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

2017-12-31 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On 31 December 2017 at 19:47, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > How do I indicate the side of the road the EB is serving in the case of a >> bidirectional road. >> > > Wouldn't an emergency bay always be on the side of the road away from > o

Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

2017-12-31 Thread Philip Barnes
Navigation apps manage it quite well, they have to use it on every roundabout for example. I do think I have seen emergency bays on the offside at some time, wide dual carriageways may be in North America? Phil (trigpoint) On 31 December 2017 21:17:44 GMT+00:00, "Matej Lieskovský" wrote: >I

Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

2017-12-31 Thread Andrew Davidson
You would have thought so. However, Albert Pundt's example is a case with the emergency bay on the left-hand side in a right-hand driving country ( https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-December/034494.html ). On 1 Jan 2018 8:16 am, "Graeme Fitzpatrick" wrote: On 31 December 2

Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

2017-12-31 Thread Matej Lieskovský
I guess the problem is that for a bidirectional road it is not clear, which direction is oncoming traffic. On 31 Dec 2017 22:16, "Graeme Fitzpatrick" wrote: > > On 31 December 2017 at 19:47, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > How do I indicate the side of the road the EB is serving in the case of a >> b

Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

2017-12-31 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 31 December 2017 at 19:47, Volker Schmidt wrote: How do I indicate the side of the road the EB is serving in the case of a > bidirectional road. > Wouldn't an emergency bay always be on the side of the road away from oncoming traffic eg drive on left, bay is at left side of road, drive on rig

[Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

2017-12-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
The tag highway=emergency_bay as node is in use 3700 times, even though it is still only a proposal. How do I indicate the side of the road the EB is serving in the case of a bidirectional road. I could see two valid approaches: direction=forward|backward emergency_bay=right|left It seems that non