Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-02-02 Thread Satoshi IIDA
Isn't there an official dedication for a given japanese place of worship? Some has 1 official (main) dedication. Some has plural dedication as official. e.g. Katori Jingu Shrine = 経津主大神 (Futsunushi-no-Kami) http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%A6%99%E5%8F%96%E7%A5%9E%E5%AE%AE

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-30 Thread Jo
I think that when it gets really that complex, it's best to create a wikidata item for the shrine (and probably a Wikpedia page as well, I guess at least on ja.WP they are noteworthy enough to deserve a page), then simply refer to that using the wikidata tag itself. and maybe a comma delimited

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-29 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 29.01.2015 13:24, Satoshi IIDA wrote: +1 to use wikidata. I had once thinking about same purpose. :) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/enshrine Sorry that I missed your proposal. Indeed, it seems that the wikidata id makes the tagging of related enshrines superfluous,

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 28.01.2015 05:01, John F. Eldredge wrote: On 01/25/2015 10:29 AM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: Probable all christian churches (buildings) and most chapels are dedicated to patron saints. E.g. the Basilica Sancti Petri (Saint Peter's Basilica) in Vatican City is obviously dedicated to Sanctus

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 28.01.2015 12:34, Andy Mabbett wrote: There are sometimes more than one saint with the same name, This is where Wikidata tags provide useful disambiguation. You can either tag with: wikidata = Q12512 (resolves to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12512 ; the item for Saint Peter's

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 25 January 2015 at 16:29, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: patron saints. E.g. the Basilica Sancti Petri (Saint Peter's Basilica) in Vatican City is obviously dedicated to Sanctus Petrus (Saint Peter). There are sometimes more than one saint with the same name, This is where

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-27 11:42 GMT+01:00 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: Speaking of Vatican, i.e. Roman Catholic Church, Mary is Blessed, not Saint. Her title is Beata Virgo Maria (Beata Vergine Maria in Italian, Blessed Virgin Mary in English). She is an unordinary Blessed, as she and her feasts

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Steve Doerr
On 28/01/2015 12:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-01-27 11:42 GMT+01:00 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com mailto:simone.savi...@gmail.com: Speaking of Vatican, i.e. Roman Catholic Church, Mary is Blessed, not Saint. Her title is Beata Virgo Maria (Beata Vergine Maria in

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 26 January 2015 at 00:39, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: maybe using Wikidata should be considered through an additional tag such as dedication:wikidata=Q33923 for Saint Peter https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33923 I dislike these numbers. They are not human readable, and typos will

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-01-28 13:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2015-01-27 11:42 GMT+01:00 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com mailto:simone.savi...@gmail.com: On 2015-01-27 11:25, André Pirard wrote : You should urgently warn the Vatican

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Steve Doerr
On 28/01/2015 16:12, André Pirard wrote: The fact is that in French, we use no such words as Blessed. The French equivalent is 'Bienheureux/se'. I don't suppose it's ever used of the Virgin Mary, though. -- Steve --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Jo
2015-01-28 17:12 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: On 2015-01-28 13:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2015-01-27 11:42 GMT+01:00 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: On 2015-01-27 11:25, André Pirard wrote : You should urgently warn the Vatican

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-28 17:12 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: Speaking of Vatican, i.e. Roman Catholic Church, Mary is Blessed, not Saint. Her title is Beata Virgo Maria (Beata Vergine Maria in Italian, Blessed Virgin Mary in English). She is an unordinary Blessed, as she and her feasts

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2015-01-26 15:28 GMT+01:00 Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com: On 26/01/2015 00:01, Simone Saviolo wrote: http://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=patron_saint%3Ait%3D*+globalR I swear, I would think that there were more of these. patron_saint:it seems to be a common suggestion for this purpose in

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-27 Thread Jo
And dedication was proposed. As one of the first comments in this thread. Then it was repeated when dedication:wikidata was mentioned. Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-27 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 27/01/2015 11:55, Daniel Koć a écrit : W dniu 27.01.2015 11:25, André Pirard napisał(a): On 2015-01-27 09:51, Simone Saviolo wrote : To be correct, the Virgin Mary isn't a saint either ;-) You should urgently warn the Vatican [3] ! ;-) It doesn't really matter anyway. =} Someone has

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-27 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-01-27 09:51, Simone Saviolo wrote : 2015-01-26 15:28 GMT+01:00 Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com mailto:doerr.step...@gmail.com: On 26/01/2015 00:01, Simone Saviolo wrote: http://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=patron_saint%3Ait%3D*+globalR I swear, I would think that

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2015-01-27 11:25 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: On 2015-01-27 09:51, Simone Saviolo wrote : 2015-01-26 15:28 GMT+01:00 Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com: On 26/01/2015 00:01, Simone Saviolo wrote: http://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=patron_saint%3Ait%3D*+globalR I swear, I

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-27 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 27.01.2015 11:25, André Pirard napisał(a): On 2015-01-27 09:51, Simone Saviolo wrote : To be correct, the Virgin Mary isn't a saint either ;-) You should urgently warn the Vatican [3] !  ;-) It doesn't really matter anyway. =} Someone has already mentioned on this thread that

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
On 01/25/2015 10:29 AM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: Probable all christian churches (buildings) and most chapels are dedicated to patron saints. E.g. the Basilica Sancti Petri (Saint Peter's Basilica) in Vatican City is obviously dedicated to Sanctus Petrus (Saint Peter). As in this example, the

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-26 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-01-25 23:30 GMT+01:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: If this tag is to be useful (assuming it is the sort of thing OSM should record), maybe using Wikidata should be considered through an additional tag such as dedication:wikidata=Q33923 for Saint Peter

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-26 Thread Thorsten Alge
On 2015-01-26 01:39, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 25.01.2015 23:30, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On 1/26/15, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: And I think it makes sense to define explicitly some things in the documentation. Things like – use always (or use never) “Saint”: “Saint Paul”

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-26 Thread Jo
If this tag is to be useful (assuming it is the sort of thing OSM should record), maybe using Wikidata should be considered through an additional tag such as dedication:wikidata=Q33923 for Saint Peter https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33923 I also think we should add wikidata tags right away

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-26 Thread Andreas Labres
On 26.01.15 08:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I am not sure if you are kidding here, but obviously this is referring to a certain episode in the life of Mary, mother of Jesus, and not to a saint called Heimsuchung with his last name. I answer in German because it's too hard for me to

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Steve Doerr
On 25/01/2015 16:29, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: I'd like to suggest a new key for patron saints. Certainly patron_saint=* or just patron=*. There are some occurrences in Taginfo, although most values of patron=* do not look like saints. holy_name=* has also been suggested, but this sounds to me

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: In English, we often call this the 'dedication' of the church. This can include things like Holy Cross (Sacré Cœur) which are obviously not saints. -- Steve I know nothing about who churches are dedicated to, but wouldn't Sacré Cœur

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 16:20 +, Steve Doerr wrote: On 25/01/2015 16:29, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: I'd like to suggest a new key for patron saints. Certainly patron_saint=* or just patron=*. There are some occurrences in Taginfo, although most values of patron=* do not look like saints.

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Steve Doerr
On 25/01/2015 16:27, Tod Fitch wrote: On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: In English, we often call this the 'dedication' of the church. This can include things like Holy Cross (Sacré Cœur) which are obviously not saints. -- Steve I know nothing about who churches are

[Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
Probable all christian churches (buildings) and most chapels are dedicated to patron saints. E.g. the Basilica Sancti Petri (Saint Peter's Basilica) in Vatican City is obviously dedicated to Sanctus Petrus (Saint Peter). As in this example, the patron saint is often part of the common name of a

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On 1/26/15, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: I think this can be a useful new tag. And I think it makes sense to define explicitly some things in the documentation. Things like – use always (or use never) “Saint”: “Saint Paul” vs “Paul”. – write the name of the dedication always in

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread johnw
On Jan 26, 2015, at 4:49 AM, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com wrote: dedication +1 If we’re going to make something that goes with the religion tag, we might want to make it more universal. There are different shrines for different kinds of buddhas, Different various shinto gods, and

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 25.01.2015 um 17:29 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: but the patron saint is Maria Heimsuchung. Well, I don't know if a saint named Maria Heimsuchung really existed, but the church is dedicated to her, so it's a patron saint at least in an abstract sense. I am not sure if

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-01-26 01:39, Friedrich Volkmann wrote : On 25.01.2015 23:30, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On 1/26/15, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: And I think it makes sense to define explicitly some things in the documentation. Things like – use always (or use never) “Saint”: “Saint Paul”

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-01-25 17:29, Friedrich Volkmann wrote : Probable all christian churches (buildings) and most chapels are dedicated to patron saints. E.g. the Basilica Sancti Petri (Saint Peter's Basilica) in Vatican City is obviously dedicated to Sanctus Petrus (Saint Peter). As in this example, the

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 25.01.2015 19:07, André Pirard wrote: I think that, when they have a name=* tag (when the mapper cared to find it, easy, they're all here (unités pastorales) http://liege.diocese.be/), almost all churches around here are tagged with the dedication. Looking at Liège in OSM, I see names like:

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
http://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=patron_saint%3Ait%3D*+globalR I swear, I would think that there were more of these. patron_saint:it seems to be a common suggestion for this purpose in Italian discussions about churches, I really thought we had more of them. Anyway, as you can see there are a few

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 25.01.2015 23:30, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On 1/26/15, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: And I think it makes sense to define explicitly some things in the documentation. Things like – use always (or use never) “Saint”: “Saint Paul” vs “Paul”. That's a good point. In German, there

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Lukas Sommer
I think this can be a useful new tag. And I think it makes sense to define explicitly some things in the documentation. Things like – use always (or use never) “Saint”: “Saint Paul” vs “Paul”. – write the name of the dedication always in the local language (Or always in latin? Could become very

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 25/01/2015 17:20, Steve Doerr a écrit : In English, we often call this the 'dedication' of the church. This can include things like Holy Cross (Sacré Cœur) which are obviously not saints. I would prefer the dedication rather than a patron, for, as said above, the dedication may be a