Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-12 Thread John F. Eldredge
In American usage, gravel refers to both rounded and unrounded stones of similar size. For example, concrete often makes use of crushed stone in the gravel size; it is angular rather than rounded. Pea gravel is often used as an ornamental surface layer for concrete, but not for use within a

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-10 14:19 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: *pebbles* is similar to gravel, only that loose pebbles are used in place of the gravel. The pebbles are bigger than the gravel pieces, and rounded. reading several sources it appears to me that gravel is rounded too, the wiki

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-12 11:47 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: FWIW, pebbles seem to be a subset of gravel (grain size): granular gravel (2 to 4 mm) pebble gravel (4 to 64 mm) to complete this for our purposes: below granular gravel there is sand, above pebble there are cobbles (64

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-12 Thread pmailkeey .
On 12 May 2015 at 10:49, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-05-12 11:47 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: FWIW, pebbles seem to be a subset of gravel (grain size): Ahh osm just seems to be an argument ground ;) OED: A small,

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-12 14:49 GMT+02:00 pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: Now, we can start arguing about the definition of 'small' :)) - so I'll start, in this context, with any stone smaller than a curling stone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling#Curling_stone ! large ones

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-11 Thread pmailkeey .
On 10 May 2015 at 15:34, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 10 May 2015 at 13:19, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: pebblestones is a road surface where pebbles are set in sand or mortar (?) and is typically seen in old cities. Example:

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-11 Thread pmailkeey .
On 10 May 2015 at 13:19, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's the same. I am interpreting and using these two tags like this: *pebblestones* is a road surface where pebbles are set in sand or mortar (?) and is typically seen in old cities. Example:

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-11 Thread John F. Eldredge
Speaking as an American, I would refer to that as a mix of cobbles and setts (some of the stones in the photo look rounded, some squared, and some irregular). They appear ti be about the size of a human palm. I think of pebbles as rocks of finger-diameter or less, such as the pea gravel often

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-11 Thread pmailkeey .
On 11 May 2015 at 21:35, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Speaking as an American, I would refer to that as a mix of cobbles and setts (some of the stones in the photo look rounded, some squared, and some irregular). They appear ti be about the size of a human palm. I think of

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Volker Schmidt
I have to confess that my use is based on the OSM wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface and I did not check the mother tongue of the authors :-) There are highway surfaces where pebbles are set (I suppose by hand) into some material that holds them in position (typically in

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Volker Schmidt
I don't think it's the same. I am interpreting and using these two tags like this: *pebblestones* is a road surface where pebbles are set in sand or mortar (?) and is typically seen in old cities. Example: http://mapillary.com/map/im/2KnVHcwLqcyy6Qis4iWF1Q *pebbles* is similar to gravel, only

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread SomeoneElse
Regardless of pebbles vs pebblestone, where did the distinction of gravel=sharp, pebblestone=rounded come from? Is there any way to easily see who first contributed a particular section of a wiki page? I'm not convinced that the wiki is documenting usage in OSM here. A bit like

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 10 May 2015 at 12:03, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any good reason to avoid changing existing surface=pebbles to surface=pebblestone? I'm a native speaker of British English, and I've; never heard of pebblestones. +1 for pebbles. Google suggests useage of the

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 01:29:48PM +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: Regardless of pebbles vs pebblestone, where did the distinction of gravel=sharp, pebblestone=rounded come from? Is there any way to easily see who first contributed a particular section of a wiki page? wikiblame would do it but as

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 03:03:14PM +0200, Richard Z. wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 01:29:48PM +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: Regardless of pebbles vs pebblestone, where did the distinction of gravel=sharp, pebblestone=rounded come from? Is there any way to easily see who first contributed a

[Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
surface=pebblestone is documented at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface and used 23 537 times. surface=pebbles is not documented and used 555 times. Both seem to have the same meaning. Is there any good reason to avoid changing existing surface=pebbles to surface=pebblestone?