Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
It seems that for paths itself current wheelchair tags are sufficient. For relations it would be nice to distinguish routes specifically for people on wheelchairs and ones marked as passable by people on wheelchairs. 21 Jun 2019, 13:28 by andrea.lattm...@ga-2.it: > So, how should I tag these

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 21.06.2019 um 13:28 schrieb Andreas Lattmann : > > So, how should I tag these pathways for the disabled? reread the contributions to this thread and take a decision ;-) Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-21 Thread Andreas Lattmann
So, how should I tag these pathways for the disabled? -- I❤️ Software Libero. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-20 Thread Andreas Lattmann
>(I take pride in putting those into OSM, provided they are 'on the ground'). Sure! I don't want to insert anything that is not verifiable on the ground. Rather, I will advise the various associations of disabled people to raise awareness among the authorities. But where they have already been

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-20 Thread Peter Elderson
It’s a case for wheelchair mappers then? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 20 jun. 2019 om 09:27 heeft Martin Koppenhoefer > het volgende geschreven: > > > > sent from a phone > >> Am 20.06.2019 um 08:32 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: >> >> If you mean the difference between a mapper who

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 20.06.2019 um 09:54 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > It is not done for hiking paths.. at least not here. there’s the distinction between foot=yes and foot=designated there are ~5800 wheelchair=designated in the db, someone is already using this. Cheers,

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-20 Thread Warin
On 20/06/19 17:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 20.06.2019 um 08:32 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: If you mean the difference between a mapper who thinks something is wheelchair suitable compared to a mapper who uses a sign or brochure to judge it .. use the

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 20.06.2019 um 08:32 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > If you mean the difference between a mapper who thinks something is > wheelchair suitable compared to a mapper who uses a sign or brochure to judge > it .. use the source key for that. the difference I

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-20 Thread Warin
On 20/06/19 16:06, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 20.06.2019 um 03:15 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: In which case I would simply add wheelchair=yes to them, as the OSMwiki says "suitable to be used with a wheelchair". In which case I will repeat my sentence from

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 20.06.2019 um 03:15 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > In which case I would simply add wheelchair=yes to them, as the OSMwiki says > "suitable to be used with a wheelchair". In which case I will repeat my sentence from #15: if we would use “yes” we could not

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Warin
On 19/06/19 21:21, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 18 giu 2019, alle ore 18:43, Markus ha scritto: Are these signed wheelchair routes? If so, i would create a type=route + route=wheelchair relation. actually these are hiking routes, which are also advertised as

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:26 AM Mark Wagner wrote: > After learning that the trail from the Old Faithful viewing area to > Castle Geyser isn't considered wheelchair-accessible, I've given up on > the idea that wheelchair-accessibility is something that mere mortals > are capable of determining.

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 18 giu 2019, alle ore 18:43, Markus ha > scritto: > > Are these signed wheelchair routes? If so, i would create a type=route + > route=wheelchair relation. actually these are hiking routes, which are also advertised as suitable for wheelchairs, they are not

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 19 giu 2019, alle ore 10:22, Mark Wagner ha > scritto: > > To my untrained eye, it's nearly perfect: > four meters wide, quality asphalt paving, no cross slope, and > effectively flat. But apparently that "effectively" isn't good enough: > an elevation gain of

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Peter Elderson
Electric wheelchairs and the like (NL "scootmobiel)" are very common in Nederland, simple wheelchairs on a route are rarely seen these days and if so, they are pushed. Sports variants are around, they would not be defeated by a slow slope. A regulare kerb is no problem, besides, almost all

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:57:25 -0700 Nick Bolten wrote: > > IMO wheelchair=yes means accessible for most basic wheelchairs. > > Yes, but it's something that is frequently difficult to estimate. After learning that the trail from the Old Faithful viewing area to Castle Geyser isn't considered

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Andreas Lattmann
>the example has little to do with wheelchairs, a paraplegic, >a blind person, a patient could just as easily go for a walk I understand that I did not explain the situation well. I have seen that recently there have been activities that rent 4x4 wheelchairs at the beginning of the journey.

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Nick Bolten
> IMO wheelchair=yes means accessible for most basic wheelchairs. Yes, but it's something that is frequently difficult to estimate. In interviews with wheelchair users, many will give strong opinions about what they personally think is accessible and their responses vary more than most people

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread marc marc
Le 18.06.19 à 22:07, Markus a écrit : > If you want to use a new tag for special wheelchairs the example has little to do with wheelchairs, a paraplegic, a blind person, a patient could just as easily go for a walk the itinerary seems to describe + the activity of an association or group of

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Markus
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 19:36 Andreas Lattmann, wrote: > >IMO wheelchair=yes means accessible for most basic wheelchairs. > > For the paths that are accessible with normal wheelchairs, I have no > doubt: I would tag them with wheelchair = yes, it is on the paths that need > special wheelchairs

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Andreas Lattmann
>IMO wheelchair=yes means accessible for most basic wheelchairs. For the paths that are accessible with normal wheelchairs, I have no doubt: I would tag them with wheelchair = yes, it is on the paths that need special wheelchairs (4x4, with the help of people etc.) that I don't know how to tag

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 18 giu 2019, alle ore 16:40, Paul Allen ha > scritto: > > If you add > wheelchair=yes to a hiking trail it is implicit that it is for hiking in a > wheelchair. we could use wheelchair=designated https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/wheelchair#value it

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Markus
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 18:44 Volker Schmidt, wrote: > highway=path >> wheelchair=designated >> > This would only be correct if this path is mainly or exclusively for > wheelchair users. > I presume thet the majority of hiking routes for wheelchair users do not > exclude other users, they are

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Markus
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 18:42 Andreas Lattmann, wrote: > would be included in the relations > > I was thinking about this new tag because often particular wheelchairs are > used, for example: [1] [2] > > So if I insert wheelchair = yes what other tag can I use to make it clear > that special

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Markus
Hi! On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 16:32 Andreas Lattmann, wrote: > I would like to propose a new tag (if it is not already there). The new > tag is wheelchair = hiking because in Italy many associations are creating > mountain trails for disabled people. > It would be nice to be able to map these

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Volker Schmidt
highway=path > wheelchair=designated > This would only be correct if this path is mainly or exclusively for wheelchair users. I presume thet the majority of hiking routes for wheelchair users do not exclude other users, they are likely to be shared with pedestrians, possibly also cyclists. I

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Andreas Lattmann
>Where it would be applied? To paths or to route relations? would be included in the relations I was thinking about this new tag because often particular wheelchairs are used, for example: [1] [2] So if I insert wheelchair = yes what other tag can I use to make it clear that special equipment

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Nick Bolten
I would suggest developing a new tag that means, "this authority has designated this path as accessible by wheelchair users", as that's the information you actually possess and can communicate. A description of on-the-ground infrastructure would also be appropriate, though I suspect there might

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Valor Naram via Tagging
This is a good point and should be the preferred way. For your purpose you should usehighway=pathwheelchair=designated.This tells mappers and other users of OSM data that the highway is a path https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath and designated for wheelchair users

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Andy Townsend
On 18/06/2019 15:28, Andreas Lattmann wrote: I would like to propose a new tag (if it is not already there). The new tag is wheelchair = hiking because in Italy many associations are creating mountain trails for disabled people. It would be nice to be able to map these paths. Would existing

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Peter Elderson
+1 Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 18 jun. 2019 om 16:38 heeft marc marc het > volgende geschreven: > >> Le 18.06.19 à 16:28, Andreas Lattmann a écrit : >> mountain trails for disabled people > > map the mountain trails as usual (way and/or relation) > and add wheelchair=yes on it (or

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 15:32, Andreas Lattmann wrote: I don't know if it's the right mailing list. > It is. I would like to propose a new tag (if it is not already there). The new > tag is wheelchair = hiking because in Italy many associations are creating > mountain trails for disabled

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread marc marc
Le 18.06.19 à 16:28, Andreas Lattmann a écrit : > mountain trails for disabled people map the mountain trails as usual (way and/or relation) and add wheelchair=yes on it (or wheelchair=limited if ppl need help to use it) ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
18 Jun 2019, 16:28 by andrea.lattm...@ga-2.it: > Hi everyone, > I don't know if it's the right mailing list. > It is the correct one for discussing tagging, especially new tags! Welcome! > I would like to propose a new tag (if it is not already there). The new tag > is wheelchair = hiking