Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - TMC - New tagging scheme for TMC
Hi, Am Samstag, 12. Mai 2012, 18:31:26 schrieb fly: > The inspector shows wrong data. > > Seems to me that the system was not updated after the last proposal changes > and > now the tags are mixed up. > > http://osm-tmc.infoware.de/tmc/?view=tmc&lon=7.60801&lat=47.58486&zoom=16&overlays=tmc_database,missing_tmc_links,tmc_links,tmc_points,ways_with_tmc_tags_ok,link_ways_with_too_many_ends,ways_with_tmc_tags_error,nodes_with_tmc_tags_ok,nodes_with_tmc_tags_error,connection_and_end_nodes_ok,connection_and_end_nodes_error,ways_with_tmc_tags_non_areas,ways_with_tmc_tags_areas,ways_in_rels_with_tmc_tags,tmc_areas,nodes_with_tmc_tags > > The DE:*-* and DE:*+* need to be switch the sides of the road. Are you sure? In Germany we drive on the right side of the road, and that side seems to match the tmc tagging used by the original proposal from infoware (not my proposal though), which has everything reversed. (btw, I'd really like to see more input from infoware in this discussion.) > By the way: > Where is the tmc location at the boarder ? At the boarder control or at the > real > boarder ? I guess at the real border. Eckhart ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Two lane expressways
Oh come on people, let's just at least try and keep it constructive and take the personal vendettas off list. Martijn On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 5/13/2012 5:25 PM, Pieren wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Nathan Edgars II >> wrote: >> >>> Since oneway=yes is the default for motorways (per the wiki, and >>> apparently >>> some routers), these should be tagged as oneway=no (as these two in fact >>> are). >> >> >> NE2 is in favour of oneway=no for exceptions in motorways but not for >> area=no for exceptions in platforms ;-) > > > What the fuck are you talking about? > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- martijn van exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Anthony wrote: > Please pardon the ignorant American question: > > What is the difference between traffic_calming=chicane and a small > roundabout? Is it based on who has the right of way? > > Does anyone have an example of something like this in the US? Or is > it safe to say that these don't exist here? > > Here is an example in Seattle. http://g.co/maps/nvhfh We have traffic calming islands all over the city. According to state law, there is no legal requirement to go around the island to make a left turn so traffic direction shouldn't be shown. -- Clifford I have promised to cut down on my swearing and drinking, which I have. Unfortunately, this has left me dim-witted and nearly speechless. Adapted from *The Lion* by Nelson DeMille -or- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples
Please pardon the ignorant American question: What is the difference between traffic_calming=chicane and a small roundabout? Is it based on who has the right of way? Does anyone have an example of something like this in the US? Or is it safe to say that these don't exist here? On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Hi! > > As promised I created a few (positive/negative) examples of > roundabouts, mini-roundabouts and turning circles to prevent > misinterpretations in the future. I respected the current tagging > scheme as described in the wiki, but also used once the suggested > junction=roundabout on a node, which was born out of the need to > quickly tag smaller roundabouts. > > You can find the examples here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Imagic/Werkstatt#Danger_of_confusion > > Please only look at the section "Danger of confusion" and ignore the > rest as it is still being worked on. > > Any remarks, suggestions, tips and hints are welcome. > > Many thanks to all who provided photos and please dont take it > personally if I didnt took your photo ;-) > > regards, > Martin > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page
shop=craft_materials (with perhaps craft_materials=sewing/what_ever) sounds much better than an ambiguous and difficult shop=what_was_it_again.. Also, shop=luggage sounds imho good over shop=bag(s). Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Craig Wallace Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 17:54:13 To: Reply-To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Subject: Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page On 13/05/2012 18:37, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: > Since "Haberdashery doesn't have it's own wiki page an(d) is quite an > complicated word" may I ask: > Wtf is it? > .. And why on earth would we use it (over luggage or bag(s), which are > understood by pretty much anyone)? I think you are confusing things - shop=bag and shop=haberdashery are two separate tags. A haberdashery is a shop that sells materials for sewing, ie thread, needles, buttons etc. Though Wiktionary says a haberdashery can also be a shop selling men's clothing, so probably best to avoid the term if it is ambiguous. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/haberdashery Maybe something like shop=sewing would be clearer? Or maybe a more general tag, that could also include shops selling things for knitting, quilting, embroidery etc. Possibly something like shop=craft_materials ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Two lane expressways
On 5/13/2012 5:25 PM, Pieren wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Since oneway=yes is the default for motorways (per the wiki, and apparently some routers), these should be tagged as oneway=no (as these two in fact are). NE2 is in favour of oneway=no for exceptions in motorways but not for area=no for exceptions in platforms ;-) What the fuck are you talking about? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Two lane expressways
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Since oneway=yes is the default for motorways (per the wiki, and apparently > some routers), these should be tagged as oneway=no (as these two in fact > are). NE2 is in favour of oneway=no for exceptions in motorways but not for area=no for exceptions in platforms ;-) Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples
Hi! As promised I created a few (positive/negative) examples of roundabouts, mini-roundabouts and turning circles to prevent misinterpretations in the future. I respected the current tagging scheme as described in the wiki, but also used once the suggested junction=roundabout on a node, which was born out of the need to quickly tag smaller roundabouts. You can find the examples here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Imagic/Werkstatt#Danger_of_confusion Please only look at the section "Danger of confusion" and ignore the rest as it is still being worked on. Any remarks, suggestions, tips and hints are welcome. Many thanks to all who provided photos and please dont take it personally if I didnt took your photo ;-) regards, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page
On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 17:37 +, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: > Since "Haberdashery doesn't have it's own wiki page an(d) is quite an > complicated word" may I ask: > Wtf is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haberdasher Haberdashery is a shop, or a section of a department store selling sewing supplies such as buttons, zips and the like. Nothing whatever to do with bags or luggage. I first heard the words in the opening to are you being served. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P6r6-gZYkI > .. And why on earth would we use it (over luggage or bag(s), which are > understood by pretty much anyone)? > Luggage would be better, it is the word used by Yellow Pages. Bags will bring up carrier bag suppliers, which is the thing that when through my mind when reading the first email in this thread. Phil ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page
On 13/05/2012 18:37, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: Since "Haberdashery doesn't have it's own wiki page an(d) is quite an complicated word" may I ask: Wtf is it? .. And why on earth would we use it (over luggage or bag(s), which are understood by pretty much anyone)? I think you are confusing things - shop=bag and shop=haberdashery are two separate tags. A haberdashery is a shop that sells materials for sewing, ie thread, needles, buttons etc. Though Wiktionary says a haberdashery can also be a shop selling men's clothing, so probably best to avoid the term if it is ambiguous. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/haberdashery Maybe something like shop=sewing would be clearer? Or maybe a more general tag, that could also include shops selling things for knitting, quilting, embroidery etc. Possibly something like shop=craft_materials ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page
Since "Haberdashery doesn't have it's own wiki page an(d) is quite an complicated word" may I ask: Wtf is it? .. And why on earth would we use it (over luggage or bag(s), which are understood by pretty much anyone)? -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: fly Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 14:57:58 To: Reply-To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Subject: Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page On 13/05/12 13:38, Philip Barnes wrote: > haberdashery is probably the most correct. Luggage may be more useful as that > type of shop will usually also sell suitcases. > > Bag shop just sounds wrong. +1 > On 13/05/2012 11:38 Mihkel Rämmel wrote: > > Someone (Suslikk) has recently added shop=bag & shop=haberdashery to map > features page. Both tags are only very few times used. shop=haberdashery is > used > 20 times and shop=bag is used 33 times (shop=bags is used 70 times). > Haberdashery doesn't have it's own wiki page an is quite an complicated word. > shop=bag has its own page in russian on english page (since april). > Should these two tags exist at all? If not, then what tags should be used > instead? It is nice if you document the tags in use but for new tags you should use proposal pages and link to the proposal from other pages. Maybe we should think about linking from map feature to some proposal lists. E.g. have a link to a list of all proposals shop=* from the map feature section shop. I also miss any anouncement on this mailing list. cu fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page
On 13/05/12 13:38, Philip Barnes wrote: > haberdashery is probably the most correct. Luggage may be more useful as that > type of shop will usually also sell suitcases. > > Bag shop just sounds wrong. +1 > On 13/05/2012 11:38 Mihkel Rämmel wrote: > > Someone (Suslikk) has recently added shop=bag & shop=haberdashery to map > features page. Both tags are only very few times used. shop=haberdashery is > used > 20 times and shop=bag is used 33 times (shop=bags is used 70 times). > Haberdashery doesn't have it's own wiki page an is quite an complicated word. > shop=bag has its own page in russian on english page (since april). > Should these two tags exist at all? If not, then what tags should be used > instead? It is nice if you document the tags in use but for new tags you should use proposal pages and link to the proposal from other pages. Maybe we should think about linking from map feature to some proposal lists. E.g. have a link to a list of all proposals shop=* from the map feature section shop. I also miss any anouncement on this mailing list. cu fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page
haberdashery is probably the most correct. Luggage may be more useful as that type of shop will usually also sell suitcases. Bag shop just sounds wrong. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 13/05/2012 11:38 Mihkel Rämmel wrote: Someone (Suslikk) has recently added shop=bag & shop=haberdashery to map features page. Both tags are only very few times used. shop=haberdashery is used 20 times and shop=bag is used 33 times (shop=bags is used 70 times). Haberdashery doesn't have it's own wiki page an is quite an complicated word. shop=bag has its own page in russian on english page (since april). Should these two tags exist at all? If not, then what tags should be used instead? Mihkel ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page
Someone (Suslikk) has recently added shop=bag & shop=haberdashery to map features page. Both tags are only very few times used. shop=haberdashery is used 20 times and shop=bag is used 33 times (shop=bags is used 70 times). Haberdashery doesn't have it's own wiki page an is quite an complicated word. shop=bag has its own page in russian on english page (since april). Should these two tags exist at all? If not, then what tags should be used instead? Mihkel ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
