Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-21 Thread Lukas Sommer
So the nodes where the signals_area intersects the highways is where the signals would normally be mapped for complex intersections? Not exactly. It would be difficult to do so if you have really complex junctions with really many individual traffic signals and you want to catch all of them – a

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread Pee Wee
-1 A renderer/router is perfectly capable of deciding what he thinks is paved/unpaved. He can decide whether he calls gravel / fine_gravel paved or unpaved. Do not leave the decision paved/unpaved up to the mapper. Map what you see. As you may have guessed I prefer surface=asphalt over

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
Hi - It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your specific issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage Best Dan 2014-09-21 4:23 GMT+01:00 Mishari Muqbil mish...@mishari.net: Hi, Thailand has these places called entertainment complexes[1] that offers

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread Volker Schmidt
In addition there is a another problem, at least for bicycle routing, independently of the way the paved yes/no information is tagged. For bicycle routing the paved information is not very useful. What is important is the smoothness information, either implicitly or explicitly. That can be derived

Re: [Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
2014-09-21 0:49 GMT+01:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:09 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Dormitories are rooms with multiple beds, usually bunk beds and associated with youth hostels, certainly not suitable for student accommodation where there is

Re: [Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
2014-09-19 16:15 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-09-19 14:22 GMT+02:00 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com: for buildings: building=residential + residential=university + operator=* OR for sites: landuse=residential + residential=university + operator=*

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Dave Swarthout
@Dan S — Good answer. I was wondering how to tag such places myself. On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi - It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your specific issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage Best

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 21/set/2014, alle ore 09:29, Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com ha scritto: As you may have guessed I prefer surface=asphalt over surface=paved since the last one could mean that it is gravel. while I also prefer asphalt over paved (more specific), I think it's difficult to find

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Mishari Muqbil
Hi, I saw that, but I'm not convinced it's the right approach as what I'm referring require a specific massage parlor license to operate as opposed to a regular traditional massage establishment which is more suited for shop=massage. I think it would be akin to saying a convenience store and

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread Pee Wee
2014-09-21 15:37 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Il giorno 21/set/2014, alle ore 09:29, Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com ha scritto: As you may have guessed I prefer surface=asphalt over surface=paved since the last one could mean that it is gravel. while I also

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
Hi, Well, that suggestion specifies access limits (i.e. only males age 21 or more), and if those are true facts and they're what you want to indicate, then go ahead. The access limits don't really tell you if something is soapy or not, but if you decide you only want to imply that and not to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - cycleway=soft_lane

2014-09-21 Thread Hubert
First of all: Thanks for all the comments on the proposal, so far. I have incorporated a lot of ideas into the proposal and I have restructured the page it a little, since there were many of comments/addition concerning cycle way infrastructure and tagging semantics in generals, which were really

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - residential=gated

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
Hi all, Motivated by the discussion around residential=* sub-tagging, I thought it would be useful to get a bit more clarity, by taking some existing sub-tagging and putting it through RFC. Here is a proposal for residential=gated:

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 21, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Pee Wee wrote: Well if an unpaved forest path would get gravel or fine_gravel thrown on top of it I would consider this some sort of paving that could be classified as paved. You apparently don't. No need to argue about that , it only goes to show that the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - cycleway=soft_lane

2014-09-21 Thread Volker Schmidt
A comment on your rendering proposals: In your proposal you write: Rendered as: a dashed line in blue off to one or both sides of a road (for example) : and cycleway https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway=soft_lane

[Tagging] RFC: Student accommodation building

2014-09-21 Thread Dan S
Hi all, Following the tagging conversation about student accommodation buildings, I created a proposal wiki page, to document the different tagging perspectives, and maybe one day work towards half a consensus ;)

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 21/09/2014, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: Despite being actively discouraged, paved=yes/no is used. And two of the top values for surface=* are paved and unpaved, A lot of those are historical values, before the practice of distinct surface values took hold. clearly taggers find

Re: [Tagging] Simple Indoor Tagging

2014-09-21 Thread Janko Mihelić
I've been thinking recently about simplified indoor tagging. I've made the next picture: http://i.imgur.com/V09c2KG.png We have two shops and three entrances, and it would be nice to know which entrances lead to which shops. Full indoor tagging would mean that we should draw rooms for both

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-21 Thread John Willis
It should be pretty trivial to have the area share nodes with the highway ways where the signals would normally be mapped. Like drawing a square around a tic-tac-toe board, but the shared nodes are only on one side at a time. Also, I think It could also share nodes with the walkways and other

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-21 Thread Lukas Sommer
It should be pretty trivial to have the area share nodes with the highway ways where the signals would normally be mapped. Like drawing a square around a tic-tac-toe board, but the shared nodes are only on one side at a time. Here, I strongly disagree. The defination on the proposal page is

[Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread Tomasz Kaźmierczak
W dniu 21 września 2014 02:10 użytkownik Tom Pfeifer napisał: Navigation software is pretty able to consider a short list of specific pavings as 'paved' and another short list as 'unpaved', they are already structured in the wiki. OsmAnd, as a popular navigation software, does so, and in

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread Paul Johnson
Along with this, I really hope renderers start computing surface=* and toll=* values for ALL ways. I say this since surface=asphalt, highway=cyclway is an exceptionally rare combination in the midwestern US, but highway=cycleway, surface=gravel, toll=yes is not. On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 2:29 AM,

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 4:06 AM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: For bicycle routing the paved information is not very useful. I strongly dispute this. In the US, where practical bicycles are the exception, not the rule, surface information is exceptionally important. The overwhelming

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - cycleway=soft_lane

2014-09-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Hubert sg.fo...@gmx.de wrote: I would like to ask for any comments and opinions to this proposal https://wiki.opens https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Soft_lane I'm against this. Along with cycleway=lane/hov=lane at this point. Just use per-lane tagging

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread David Bannon
On Mon, 2014-09-22 at 00:23 +0200, Tomasz Kaźmierczak wrote: ..A good suggestion ... So it seems that yet again, we are going to reject this attempt to solve a real problem. Looking at the neg replies, because its not useful for bike riders; not useful for a number of undefined edge cases; is a

Re: [Tagging] Simple Indoor Tagging

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 21/set/2014, alle ore 22:51, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com ha scritto: Would it be OK to tag the red lines as indoor=corridor? wouldn't there typically be direct entrances and no corridors? I think if you are at this level of detail we could expect that you add the poi as a

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread Dave Swarthout
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: On Sep 21, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Pee Wee wrote: Well if an unpaved forest path would get gravel or fine_gravel thrown on top of it I would consider this some sort of paving that could be classified as paved. You

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-21 Thread johnw
On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: It should be pretty trivial to have the area share nodes with the highway ways where the signals would normally be mapped. Like drawing a square around a tic-tac-toe board, but the shared nodes are only on one side at

Re: [Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-21 Thread John F. Eldredge
Another difference between college dormitories and apartments is that dormitory rooms usually lack cooking facilities, and, at least in older buildings, may have communal toilet/shower facilities rather than en suite facilities. On September 20, 2014 8:47:08 AM sabas88 saba...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread Mishari Muqbil
Hi, To avoid having the word massage throwing off the discussion, I'll refer to it under it's legal name of entertainment place. I'll go ahead with the restrictions then, but the other issue is the specific legal classification that entertainment places fall under[1] as opposed to a regular,

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-21 Thread John Willis
The name tag can be whatever it is, but making a amenity=soapland might be what you are looking for. That way there is no confusion with massage places and clearly understood to be for adult services. Javbw. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Mishari Muqbil