[Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Andreas Goss
Tying to clean up the Wiki a bit and found craft=sweep. I think it would be better to tag it craft=chimney_sweep as this makes it clearer and a lot easier to understand for non-native speakers. What do you think? I would then also like to retagg the few that are already in use if others agree

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 09:11 +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: Tying to clean up the Wiki a bit and found craft=sweep. I think it would be better to tag it craft=chimney_sweep as this makes it clearer and a lot easier to understand for non-native speakers. What do you think? I would then also like

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Marc Gemis
According to http://www.goudengids.be/schoorsteenvegers/ there are still 396 of them in Belgium. I think it's even required to let the chimney of your house cleaned for insurance purposes. Many people still use wood or pellets to (partially) heat their house. Several crafts men (carpenters, roof

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Volker Schmidt
I don't think they are extinct. There are countries that require by regulation regular inspections of chimneys. For example, they check that the hot exhaust gases from your methane-fired central heating have non corroded the lining of your chimney, which would be a fire hazard. In Germany here

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-03 10:41 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: Apart from my first reaction, do they still exist? The last time I saw a chimney sweep was sometime before the moon landing. The other and more important to OSM is, do they have a physical presence? It is the type of trade

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Now as we have clarified that they still exist, we could come back to the original question what would be the best tag. I agree that craft=chimney_sweep is less ambiguous than =sweep alone, and with currently 24 instances in taginfo it would be a good time to change wiki and tags. Andreas Goss

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-03 12:58 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org: I agree that craft=chimney_sweep is less ambiguous than =sweep alone, and with currently 24 instances in taginfo it would be a good time to change wiki and tags. +1 what about chimney_sweeping to indicate the trade/craft (?)

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Dan S
2014-10-03 12:06 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-10-03 12:58 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org: I agree that craft=chimney_sweep is less ambiguous than =sweep alone, and with currently 24 instances in taginfo it would be a good time to change wiki and

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread SomeoneElse
On 03/10/2014 09:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I guess this depends on the region. In Germany they are sort of authority not only for cleaning but for chimney and combustion plant verification and certification of the installed instances. Typically you will have no choice, the whole country

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-03 13:17 GMT+02:00 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: That doesn't much sound primarily like a chimney sweep at all, but some official function to do with gas etc. certification. exactly. This is what chimney sweeps in Germany are, an official function to control gas, burners,

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread SomeoneElse
On 03/10/2014 12:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-10-03 13:17 GMT+02:00 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: That doesn't much sound primarily like a chimney sweep at all, but some official function to do with gas etc. certification.

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-03 13:15 GMT+02:00 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com: Please, no! Chimney sweeping is not a phrase in British English, whereas chimney sweep is. Plus, most of the craft=* tags use the professional (person): http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/craft#values you are right, the most

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-03 13:26 GMT+02:00 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: If they're a German-specific thing then why not use the German word rather than co-opt an English one that doesn't actually match the primary function that these people perform? they are all chimney sweeps. The list of

[Tagging] governmental / administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-03 Thread Tom Pfeifer
I feel the need for a landuse tag for governmental / administrative use, maybe in the context of further civic use. We do have office=administrative and office=government but no appropriate tag for the land they stand on. Often such buildings are surrounded by some land and often fenced off.

Re: [Tagging] governmental / administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-03 15:19 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org: I feel the need for a landuse tag for governmental / administrative use, maybe in the context of further civic use. We do have office=administrative and office=government but no appropriate tag for the land they stand on. Often

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-03 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-10-03 15:32: 2014-10-03 15:19 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer: I feel the need for a landuse tag for governmental / administrative use, maybe in the context of further civic use. We do have office=administrative and office=government but no appropriate

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-03 Thread Dan S
2014-10-03 18:14 GMT+01:00 Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-10-03 15:32: 2014-10-03 15:19 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer: I feel the need for a landuse tag for governmental / administrative use, maybe in the context of further civic use. We do have

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 03/ott/2014, alle ore 19:14, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org ha scritto: Yes absolutely. Any commercial administration can keep the commercial landuse. what about not-for-profit companies? NGOs etc. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-03 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Dan S wrote on 2014-10-03 19:21: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-10-03 15:32: I see the introduction of a new, more specific key positive, e.g. landuse=public_administration +1 I would have suggested landuse=civic. Looking at taginfo, I don't see it in use, though there is a small

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-03 Thread johnw
a few months ago I laid out the case for landuse=civic It's literal definition is a little restrictive, but basically all government admin and services. from a brance office of the city hall to the UN building. local to supranational. There was so much back and forth over it - do we need a