Re: [Tagging] Highway mistagging ... again

2020-05-30 Thread Alan Mackie
I think part of the problem with the highway=track description is that even when you are there on the ground it isn't always clear what it's being used for. They are often two ruts in the ground disappearing of into the distance with little else to go on. If you then look at aerial imagery you may

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Daniel Westergren
Ok, I hope this will be my final post in this long thread. I will try to summarize what I understand from the discussion as the main issuesa and what needs to be addressed to make it easier for mappers and data consumers. I would also suggest that instead of filling the inboxes of each and

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 30, 2020, at 7:57 AM, Rob Savoye wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 15:46:31 +0200 >> From: Daniel Westergren > >> *An additional issue:* >> 6. sac_scale is currently the only tag (possibly together with mtb:scale) >> to denote the difficulty of a hiking trail (that is, the way, not

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 30, 2020, 15:46 by wes...@gmail.com: > Is highway=path a type of way (wilderness trail or whatever term we use) > or a way for non-specified/mixed use? > way for non-specified/mixed use, that due to its unfortunate name is sometimes used and interpreted as indicating a wilderness trail

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:16 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > May 30, 2020, 15:46 by wes...@gmail.com: >> Is highway=path a type of way (wilderness trail or whatever term we use) >> or a way for non-specified/mixed use? > > way for non-specified/mixed use, that due to its unfortunate

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Rob Savoye
> Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 15:46:31 +0200 > From: Daniel Westergren > *An additional issue:* > 6. sac_scale is currently the only tag (possibly together with mtb:scale) > to denote the difficulty of a hiking trail (that is, the way, not the > route). But it's very geared towards alpine trails and

Re: [Tagging] Highway mistagging ... again

2020-05-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 4:44 AM Alan Mackie wrote: > I think part of the problem with the highway=track description is that even > when you are there on the ground it isn't always clear what it's being used > for. They are often two ruts in the ground disappearing of into the distance > with

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Volker Schmidt
> Ok, I hope this will be my final post in this long thread. I will try to > summarize what I understand from the discussion as the main issuesa and > what needs to be addressed to make it easier for mappers and data > consumers. > As said before, whatever you do to the tagging it will life more

Re: [Tagging] Highway mistagging ... again

2020-05-30 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 04:10:42PM -0600, Mike Thompson wrote: > I know we just had a similar discussion, but I am discovering more and more > cases where mappers have changed every dirt road they can find to > "highway=track". For example, it looks like all of the dirt roads in the > area

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 30, 2020, at 6:46 AM, Daniel Westergren wrote: > > Ok, I hope this will be my final post in this long thread. I will try to > summarize what I understand from the discussion as the main issuesa and what > needs to be addressed to make it easier for mappers and data consumers. > > I

Re: [Tagging] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-30 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 29, 2020, 08:29 by a...@thaw.de: >>> For example, here are a few images of "keep out" signs. Now think of >>> somebody making a package delivery. How are they supposed to determine >>> whether "implicit" permission exists in their individual case or not? Is it >>> different for some of

Re: [Tagging] Highway mistagging ... again

2020-05-30 Thread Alan Mackie
On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 18:23, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 04:10:42PM -0600, Mike Thompson wrote: > > I know we just had a similar discussion, but I am discovering more and > more > > cases where mappers have changed every dirt road they can find to > > "highway=track". For

Re: [Tagging] Highway mistagging ... again

2020-05-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. May 2020, at 19:23, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > For tracks i have simple criteria when it cant be a track: > > - residential buildings (or used for reaching them) > - (school) buses > - garbage collection trucks > - postal services > > If anything is seen on that

Re: [Tagging] Highway mistagging ... again

2020-05-30 Thread Alan Mackie
On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 16:55, Kevin Kenny wrote: > As far as I can tell, `tracktype` is mostly intended for surface > firmness: how likely are you to sink if you drive it in wet weather? > If I'm not doing a field survey in mud season, it's hard to tell. > Everythiing from grade3 to grade5 will

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 01:18, Tod Fitch wrote: > > > > On May 30, 2020, at 7:57 AM, Rob Savoye wrote: > > > >> Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 15:46:31 +0200 > >> From: Daniel Westergren > > > >> *An additional issue:* > >> 6. sac_scale is currently the only tag (possibly together with > mtb:scale) >

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
PS Was going to add that yes, I'd also be interested in working further on this concept! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 30, 2020, at 4:20 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Something else that I've just thought about & not sure whether it would need > to be mentioned - possibility of encountering dangerous wildlife? > > Yes, there are 1000 things in the Australian bush that'll kill you :-), but >

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 20:13, Tod Fitch wrote: > I’ve spent too much time recently trying to figure out how to better > determine whether the ways I am rendering should be shown as an > urban/suburban walkway versus a non-urban hiking trail (intentionally not > using “footway” and “path” as