Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Thibault Molleman
- I'm doubtful of the future of openstreetcam - some people don't like Facebook to the point where they don't want to use mapillary so we need to have an alternative And that still doesn't solve the problem of not having a system to put multiple images into one tag Cheers Thibault On Thu, Aug

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread bkil
Have you considered uploading these to OpenStreetCam, Mapillary or whatever comes after OSM migrates away from that one? On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:37 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 26. Aug 2020, at 15:21, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org>

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 15:21, Jake Edmonds via Tagging > wrote: > > Sorry, I meant that images of generic drinking fountains can go in ‘Drinking > fountains in ’ and only need one image linked to the node. > A unique fountain deserves its own category I named the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Thibault Molleman
CJ, I didn't realize the accept header could work like that. I think the system your propose is a good idea tbh. Also, I wonder if it would be possible to host those on IPFS. (And make it so that people who have spare bandwidth/storage can help host this image repository) Cheers, Thibault On

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread bkil
Didn't we have an OSM tool in the past that showed points with broken links? (Also I think the citations I've given earlier a few hours ago should clear up what should or should not be deleted - by policy they _should_ delete the lower quality image if a better quality image is also available) On

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 14:44, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > In my opinion the "naked " German Fahrradstrasse is equivalent to > highway=service|residential > vehicle=no > foot=use_sidewalk or sidewalk=separate if there is a separate sidewalk > bicycle=designated > maxspeed=30

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Cj Malone
On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 09:58 +0200, Thibault Molleman wrote: > That's a good idea actually! > Although I guess there is a part of me that thinks that having just a > simple image tag without any fancy stuff is still best for a primary > image (so that apps that want to implement it don't need to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 19:39, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > In practice you need horrific image quality, > to the point of unasibility for deletion to > succeed > So maybe the chance of deletion is low enough that we can drop the argument that "wikimedia might delete it" when discussing using

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
26 Aug 2020, 20:34 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 18:03, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > >> Though note that in practice that it is fairly rare to delete things as out >> of scope. >> > > That's true.  But the spectre of it happening

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 18:03, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Though note that in practice that it is fairly rare to delete things as > out of scope. > That's true. But the spectre of it happening is raised whenever people mention using wikimedia images.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Though note that in practice that it is fairly rare to delete things as out of scope. It is typically done for people uploading their private images in attempt to use Wikimedia Commons as free storage, or for hosting their advertisements and for things like

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Thibault Molleman
yeah, having a bot to automatically mark images that are being used in osm sounds like a good solution tbh. (next step would be to have a bot that automatically checks the Deletion Request pages to see if any of the one being added there are osm linked ones and make a copy to ipfs or something

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 16:26, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Project_scope/Summary#Must_be_realistically_useful_for_an_educational_purpose > > "hosts content that is useful for educational purposes. > This means

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Project_scope/Summary#Must_be_realistically_useful_for_an_educational_purpose "hosts content that is useful for educational purposes. This means content that could be used by Wikipedia, other Wikimedia projects, or other projects that provide knowledge,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 14:52, Thibault Molleman wrote: > Does it being on osm have enough justification for them to keep it though? > "it's not a wikimedia project, so it doesn't matter to us if it's linked > on osm or not" > They make use of OSM data to create their own maps, so there is

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-26 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 26/08/2020 07.12, pangoSE wrote: I rest my case. Thanks for the examples. Could you help update the wikipage about POIs to reflect this? By "the wikipage", do you mean https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Points_of_interest? It isn't immediately obvious where this information would be

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 12:17, Thibault Molleman wrote: the main use case for having multiple images on one node was for example a store, and you've just taken random images of the store (like you have on Google maps and other map apps) You may get pushback from the "OSM is not a gazetteer"

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Thibault Molleman
Does it being on osm have enough justification for them to keep it though? "it's not a wikimedia project, so it doesn't matter to us if it's linked on osm or not" On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 15:39, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 10:06, Thibault Molleman < > thibaultmolle...@gmail.com>

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 10:06, Thibault Molleman wrote: > Ah, I feel like there are certain images that might get deleted from > Commons just because they don't "contribute to wikipedia articles". > The commons isn't quite that arbitrary. They allow images which are of interest, but "of

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Jake Edmonds via Tagging
> The fact that the image is linked to an osm node is enough reason for the > image to be online. Sorry, I meant that images of generic drinking fountains can go in ‘Drinking fountains in ’ and only need one image linked to the node. A unique fountain deserves its own category Sent from Jake

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread Jo
fietsstraat / rue cyclable are really 'a thing' in Belgium. Usually the whole street is redesigned, it's not just a traffic sign on both ends. Red asphalt, giant flower pots. Car drivers don't seem to realise that they are not allowed to overtake cyclists in most of them though. So that's a bit

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Thibault Molleman
Btw, I want to make it clear that I have nothing against the wikimedia foundation. I think it's fair that they moderate like they do, because their capacity isn't unlimited On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 14:51 Thibault Molleman wrote: > Can you link photos/deletion requests? > > Again, don't bother with

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Thibault Molleman
> > Can you link photos/deletion requests? Again, don't bother with that. I was 13, didn't know what I was doing, main reason why they were deleted according to the deletion requests were because they didn't have a license attached to them, so they didn't know if it was even allowed on there.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Jake Edmonds via Tagging
I feel like those examples (city gates and fountains) would be appropriate places to use a wikimedia category. Assuming the drinking fountains are unique, if not then do they need multiple photos? Thanks Sent from Jake Edmonds' iPhone > On 26 Aug 2020, at 14:29, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread Volker Schmidt
Yes, there is a legal difference *bicycle_road* A German "Fahrradstrasse" (which is the prototype on which this tag seems to be modeled) is a road exclusively for bicycles in the sense that carries the the sign "Fahrradstrasse" without addition indicates that the carriageway of the road is

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread joost schouppe
> > So putting the Dutch and Belgian thing together but not the German, that > doesn't make much sense. > > > I read this as a suggestion for a third alternative tag? > > N! :) Just saying that there's similar concepts that could have had the same main tag (and different clarifying

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 12:18, bkil wrote: > > there is usually no need for more than one image on a POI I have recently tagged some city gates and both sides would have been interesting. The other kind of POI I am frequently taking photos are fountains and drinking

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 12:35, joost schouppe wrote: > > So putting the Dutch and Belgian thing together but not the German, that > doesn't make much sense. I read this as a suggestion for a third alternative tag? Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Can you link photos/deletion requests? Or talk page with deletion info? Maybe your country has no freedom of panorama and large part of photo was with something copyrighted? Or maybe there was no description? When I asked about photos of bicycle parkings. (such as

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Thibault Molleman
Yeah, makes sense. Having ipfs be a valid image/file tag in osm would be a nice addition actually! the main use case for having multiple images on one node was for example a store, and you've just taken random images of the store (like you have on Google maps and other map apps) I do wonder

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-26 Thread pangoSE
Hi Matthew Woehlke skrev: (25 augusti 2020 15:25:19 CEST) >On 24/08/2020 16.25, pangoSE wrote: >> Martin Koppenhoefer skrev: (24 augusti 2020 02:16:27 CEST) >>> Also useful when the POI is approximately placed (e.g. in a >>> neighbouring building, happens quite often, at least as long as most

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread bkil
> [...] Must be realistically useful for an educational purpose. [...] > File in use in another Wikimedia project [...] [OR] > File in use on Commons only: An otherwise non-educational file does not acquire educational purpose solely because it is in use on a gallery page or in a category on

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread joost schouppe
Well, in the Netherlands cyclestreet seems to be a "suggestional" traffic sign. In Belgium cyclestreet it has a clear legal meaning. In Germany bicycle_road has a clear (but quite different) legal meaning. So putting the Dutch and Belgian thing together but not the German, that doesn't make much

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread bkil
I didn't share my viewpoint yet here. In my opinion, there is usually no need for more than one image on a POI (two at worst), so I don't see a need. If you want to photograph each entrance of a school, why don't you attach each photo to the respective entrance? If you made photographs of each

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Thibault Molleman
Ah ok, I had a bunch of my images deleted that I uploaded when i was a kid (maybe not the smartest thing to do at the time.) They were birthday photos and put them up cause figured it could work as stock photos (remember one site actually using one of them) and they got deleted a couple years ago.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 10:04, Thibault Molleman wrote: > > Ah, I feel like there are certain images that might get deleted from Commons > just because they don't "contribute to wikipedia articles". That is not a valid reason for deletion from Wikimedia Commons. Commons' scope is far wider than

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Thibault Molleman
Ah, I feel like there are certain images that might get deleted from Commons just because they don't "contribute to wikipedia articles". Maybe a special example but still: Recently mapped a construction zone for a residential area and took a couple photos. Those might not "belong on Commons"

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
No, I was thinking about linking Wikimedia Commons galleries. (such linking also happens indirectly when wikipedia/wikidata tags get added) Aug 26, 2020, 10:42 by thibaultmolle...@gmail.com: > I think what Mateusz was referring to was seeing if we could somehow copy the > system that commons

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread bkil
As mentioned on the linked wiki page, you can escape a semicolon by doubling it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Semi-colon_value_separator#Escaping_with_.27.3B.3B.27 On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:11 AM Thibault Molleman < thibaultmolle...@gmail.com> wrote: > While I use the semicolon for some

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Thibault Molleman
I think what Mateusz was referring to was seeing if we could somehow copy the system that commons uses? (so that any app that can already accept wikimedia commons galleries also can use this new system) Cheers On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 10:31, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 10:02, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > See wikimedia_commons that may linki wikimedia commons > gallery. there are quite some links in “image” for wikimedia commons categories (but not all images in a category may be relevant for osm), a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
See wikimedia_commons that may linki wikimedia commons gallery. Aug 26, 2020, 09:33 by me-osm-tagg...@keepawayfromfire.co.uk: > As mentioned semi colon has issues with URLs. It may also be worth > noting that a OSM value can only have 254 chars in it, a limit that > would get hit quickly with a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Thibault Molleman
That's a good idea actually! Although I guess there is a part of me that thinks that having just a simple image tag without any fancy stuff is still best for a primary image (so that apps that want to implement it don't need to start messing with this new format and can just load that simple url.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Cj Malone
As mentioned semi colon has issues with URLs. It may also be worth noting that a OSM value can only have 254 chars in it, a limit that would get hit quickly with a few URLs. I've thought about this before, I think we need 1 URL to point to multiple images. But it can't just be a non standard HTML

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Thibault Molleman
While I use the semicolon for some other tags already, the problem with using it for something that has a URL. Is that TECHNICALLYaccording to the specification, a URL can contain a semicolon. So I feel like the use of a semicolon in a url based tag isn't a good solution On Wed, Aug 26, 2020,

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I am curious is there any difference in practical use of this two tags. Aug 25, 2020, 12:13 by vosc...@gmail.com: > Hi, > I have come across a new (to me) street sign In Italy: > https://italy-cycling-guide.info/tips-advice/riding-in-italy/ > The road is a one-lane residential road on which

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
If someone really needs multiple images on one object then https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Semi-colon_value_separator is standard. At the same time use for that seems dubious for this specific tag. Aug 26, 2020, 07:41 by thibaultmolle...@gmail.com: > Hi, > > It seems like there (still)

[Tagging] Bus specifc (or psv specific) turn rules

2020-08-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I added section at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn#Special_turn_rules_for_specific_vehicle_types I also created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:psv:lanes https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_service_vehicles https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Psv=no