Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I poked into the existing usages of hazard=landslide, and they seem to mostly be on hiking trails or at best track roads, rather than regular roads. I don't think anyone would quibble with tagging a landslide hazard on this [1] for example. [1]

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Paul Allen
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 01:05, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:09 PM Paul Allen wrote: > >> That's not to say we don't have landslides in the UK, but it appears >> we don't construct roads in places where they are anticipated to >> happen. >> > > The idea of "we don't build where

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 12:54 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I am not exactly happy about "rock slide" as it seems weird to use it where > danger is primarily about individual rocks dropping, not about full scale > rock slide. > > Personally I would prefer

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Not all land slides are rock slides. Some are mostly silt or loamy soil, so are often “mudslides”, e.g. in the Northwest Pacific coast of Canada and the US: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Oso_mudslide So I would prefer “landslide” as a more general term. - Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Dec 3,

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 08:33, Guillaume Chauvat wrote: > Yes, but this is a node, not a way. Inclined elevators require a way and > those are not displayed properly. > Sorry, didn't get what you were getting at! Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
You can also get rather philosophical about it as well :-) https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cW9iNszeKWU/WDuxft3rVBI/G70/HHEd7-W84k0tG_gakCs78RXXfoBfREfigCLcB/s1600/falling-rocks-dj-homewrecker.jpg Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Guillaume Chauvat
Yes, but this is a node, not a way. Inclined elevators require a way and those are not displayed properly. On 3 December 2020 23:05:14 CET, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 23:19, Guillaume Chauvat >wrote: > >> I used a way tagged with highway=elevator as the wiki recommends,

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 12:54 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I am not exactly happy about "rock slide" as it seems weird to use it where > danger is primarily about individual rocks dropping, not about full scale > rock slide. > > Personally I would prefer

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 23:19, Guillaume Chauvat wrote: > I used a way tagged with highway=elevator as the wiki recommends, but this > does not seem supported by any tool (the default editor, the map on > openstreetmap.org, or osmand). > Highway=elevator renders on the main map eg

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards (frost heave?)

2020-12-03 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I'd think that frost heaves (which are seasonal and conditions-based) versus permanent bumps are different. If there aren't objections, I'd propose both a hazard=bump (which has a few trace uses) and a new value hazard=frost_heave to cover frost heaves specifically. On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 2:37

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards (frost heave?)

2020-12-03 Thread Adam Franco
*hazard=frost_heave, hazard=bump?* One of the common road hazards I encounter and would like to tag are large frost heaves that occur at consistent locations every year. A few roads in my region like VT-17 and NY-8 have poor roadbeds and get damaged by frost heaves the first winter after

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 18:16, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Thu, 2020-12-03 at 18:06 +, Paul Allen wrote: > > > That's not to say we don't have landslides in the UK, but it appears > we don't construct roads in places where they are anticipated to > happen. > > >

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Dec 3, 2020, 19:14 by p...@trigpoint.me.uk: > On Thu, 2020-12-03 at 18:06 +, Paul Allen wrote: > >> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 17:54, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <>> >> tagging@openstreetmap.org>> > wrote: >> >>> >>> I am not exactly happy about "rock slide" as it seems weird to use it where

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-12-03 at 18:06 +, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 17:54, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > > > I am not exactly happy about "rock slide" as it seems weird to use > > it where > > danger is primarily about individual rocks dropping, not about full > > scale

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 17:54, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I am not exactly happy about "rock slide" as it seems weird to use it where > danger is primarily about individual rocks dropping, not about full scale > rock slide. > In the UK we do not appear to

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I am not exactly happy about "rock slide" as it seems weird to use it where danger is primarily about individual rocks dropping, not about full scale rock slide. Personally I would prefer "failing rocks" for warning used by a standard road sign. (difference is minor, but if we have luxury of

[Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
Hello, I've made a number of updates to the "hazard" proposal [1] based on the input received. Thanks to those that offered comment and feedback so far during this RFC. I request community help on resolving feedback on the proposed tag hazard=rock_slide and deprecation of three values of

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 3. Dec 2020, at 16:53, 德泉 談 via Tagging wrote: > > I think the description in OSM wiki looks fine. Not supported by osm-carto > and other tools needs to be reported by somebody, worth doing that. +1, I would also think the wiki is fine, after all, a way seems the

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread 德泉 談 via Tagging
I'd taken both inclined elevator and funicular railway. I think it could seen as two different kind of things. Inclined elevators travel with short distance in most of the time, their structure is quite different that it shouldn't be bracket with the other. I think the description in OSM wiki

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Guillaume Chauvat
It is supported by the wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Delevator#How_to_Map_as_a_Way There is an issue here, closed in 2016, "at least until a discussion on the tagging list suggests otherwise." https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1953 IMHO this is

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Guillaume Chauvat
The one I am talking about is really an elevator. It's the one on the left in the picture here: http://nyttiflempan.sh.se/flemingsberg/2015-04-21/S%C3%B6dert%C3%B6rns-rulltrappa-en-huvudv%C3%A4rk-f%C3%B6r-kommunen-12389.html Guillaume On 3 December 2020 15:58:03 CET, Mateusz Konieczny via

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Is it both something that makes sense, accepted by community and supported by Wiki? In such case, have you checked whatever this feature was already requested for mentioned software? It is both rare(?) and tricky to implement in rendering, but editors have greater freedom to handle this. And

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
This one looks to me like a small funicular railway. But OSM Wiki includes "the ascending and descending vehicles counterbalancing each other" as one of important characteristic. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway=funicular?uselang=en Dec 3, 2020, 14:53 by winfi...@gmail.com: >

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Jo
I couldn't resist looking them up. This is a very long one and there is even an operator in it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh0NxK6sslM Most are the length of the escalators they are adjacent to. Polyglot On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 2:19 PM Guillaume Chauvat wrote: > Hi, > > My apologies if

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 134, Issue 130 animal tracks ?

2020-12-03 Thread Andy Townsend
On 03/12/2020 10:47, ael via Tagging wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2020 at 11:08:55PM +, Paul Allen wrote: Which then goes back to the discussions we were having a while back about tagging the "dangerousness" of tracks. hazard=extreme surely? Actually,

[Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Guillaume Chauvat
Hi, My apologies if this has already been discussed several times or if it's not the place to ask. I was mapping a public inclined elevator in a dedicated building (it only contains the elevator and three parallel escalators). This is really a standard elevator running parallel to the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 134, Issue 130 animal tracks ?

2020-12-03 Thread ael via Tagging
On Wed, Dec 02, 2020 at 11:08:55PM +, Paul Allen wrote: > Which then goes back to the discussions we were having a while back about > > tagging the "dangerousness" of tracks. hazard=extreme surely? ael ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] RFC: vaccination / COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-12-03 Thread Mark Herringer
I agree that the venue for a vaccination is not always in a clinic or hospital. This is particularly true in rural Africa where access to health services is poor. Having the ability to indicate the presence of an amenity=vaccination_centre seems to make the most sense. When the facility closes the