Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Liz
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, Paul Johnson wrote: > I should probably point out that not all roundabouts are one-way. That's a traffic circle I have researched this point.. Liz ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > I should probably point out that not all roundabouts are one-way. > I'm waiting an example. Definition of roundabout: "A roundabout is one of several types of circular road junctions or intersections at which traffic is slowed down and enters

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Dave F.
Dave F. wrote: > How do you set the direction for one-way without explicitly defining it? > > Dave F. > > Ahh! disregard please - I answered it myself. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Jonathan Bennett wrote: > It also means that newcomers may not quite > get the tagging right, because they assume that a road type which is > inherently one-way doesn't need explicit tagging. Name one road type which is inherently one-way. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Liz wrote: > and when the comment in the history from 21 June is read it says > (This won't break any ways, because 1. nobody (approximately) uses this for > routing yet, 2. assuming they're 2-way in a routing app is potentially > dangerous anyway.) 2 never applies in practice, especially outsi

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Tobias Knerr wrote: > Should an application developer decide to assume oneway=no (which might > lead to longer-than-optimal routing results) or oneway=yes (which might > send you the wrong way up a trunk link)? I would prefer one-way to never be assumed as yes, even on motorways, for consistency'

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Pieren wrote: >> no, IMHO we shouldn't generally "imply" but tag explicitly, otherwise >> consistency is at risk. >> > > no, if we don't have defaults, we will have to populate 20, 30 or 50 > attributs on each highway in the future. Don't ask too much from > volunteers. I think it's asking more f

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Dave F.
How do you set the direction for one-way without explicitly defining it? Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] wiki+rules for mapping protected areas: nationalpark, naturereserve, etc.

2009-11-27 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi, It will be great to see what you recommend. I haven't made a final decision, nor really talked to the talk-ca list about what the 'National Protected Areas' database that is (going to) be ready for import in Canada. I have a sample http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.5471&lon=-124.3593&zoom=1

Re: [Tagging] wiki+rules for mapping protected areas: nationalpark, naturereserve, etc.

2009-11-27 Thread tshrub
Hi, > ... there is an update of this site: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary=protected_area r.t. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 11/27/09, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > Alessandro Rubini wrote: >> This is a two-way motorway link, for example: >> [...] > It is indeed, but my guess is that it's an exception, and not the > normal. It is not: most motorway links in italy are made of both one-way and two-way sections, so either

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Alessandro Rubini wrote: > I don't think there are road types that are inherently one-way, besides > roundabouts. > > This is a two-way motorway link, for example: > > http://maps.google.it/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.249774,9.044243&spn=0.002761,0.004914&t=k&z=18 It is indeed, but my guess is that it's an e

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Alessandro Rubini
> The disadvantage of explicit tagging for everything is massive > duplication of information. This I agree with. > It also means that newcomers may not quite > get the tagging right, because they assume that a road type which is > inherently one-way doesn't need explicit tagging. I don't think

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/27 Jonathan Bennett > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > no, IMHO we shouldn't generally "imply" but tag explicitly, otherwise > > consistency is at risk. > > If the tags implied by another tag were documented in a standard form, > in a central place (so any application, editor, render, etc.

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/27 Pieren > > no, IMHO we shouldn't generally "imply" but tag explicitly, otherwise > > consistency is at risk. > > no, if we don't have defaults, we will have to populate 20, 30 or 50 > attributs on each highway in the future. come on, I wonder where those 50 attributes should come fro

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > no, IMHO we shouldn't generally "imply" but tag explicitly, otherwise > consistency is at risk. If the tags implied by another tag were documented in a standard form, in a central place (so any application, editor, render, etc. could read it) would that change your min

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer >> Generally, I don't think it's acceptable to change the definitions of >> tags in this way. > > +1 +1 (although my recent edits against noexit=no) >> >> I also wonder how we should deal with this specific situation. Can we >> still assume any

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/26 Tobias Knerr > All of these tags were previously documented to imply oneway=yes. Now > only the page for highway=motorway_link still contains that implication. > > Generally, I don't think it's acceptable to change the definitions of > tags in this way. +1 > > I also wonder how we s