Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: Of course, everyone can tag what he wants anyway. The question is what we want to encourage. This is like saying Anyone can drive at whatever speed he wants, the question is what we want to encourage. - ie, true, but fairly meaningless. Why? Anyone who

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread John Smith
2009/12/29 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: But isn't that the case with lots of nodes? The place=city name=London node, does it describe something that is the node itself, or rather lend a name to all that is around it? The node should be part of a relation/boundary describing the area that

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, John Smith wrote: You certainly cannot tell the orientation of the speed bump from the node alone... Ummm speed bumps aren't usually anything but in line with the road, Exactly. Just like inclines. But there's

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Liz
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: Also, incline=* is still mathematically valid for nodes to indicate the instantaneous incline at that point, so I don't see a problem with that. I might be old, I might have gone to school in the Dark Ages, but a point cannot have an incline. A spatial

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I might be old, I might have gone to school in the Dark Ages, but a point cannot have an incline. An incline is more or less a gradient. From Wikipedia: The gradient of H at a point is a vector pointing in the direction of the

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Liz wrote: Oh, the writer of Wikipedia point geometry agrees with me. Then he must be old and have gone to school in the Dark Ages as well! Come on Liz, you know that Wikipedia is one of those projects where any nitwit can... ehm... ;-) Bye Frederik

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Liz
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: An incline is more or less a gradient. From Wikipedia: The gradient of H at a point is a vector pointing in the direction of the steepest slope or grade at that point. A point can have a gradient, and thus an incline. you'd better read better than that

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: An incline is more or less a gradient. From Wikipedia: The gradient of H at a point is a vector pointing in the direction of the steepest slope or grade at that point. A point can have a

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: While a road might be a pre-requisite for a speed bump I wouldn't say that the road defines the speed bump. The orientation of the road defines the orientation of the speed bump, though.

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Matthias Julius
Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote: But that's my point - sure, you don't want to lose semantics i.e. meaning. But IMHO steep is *meaningless*. Why? Because it's not well defined. If you want to define

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com writes: If you want to define steep as meaning greater than or equal to 15% incline, THEN it has meaning. But until then, it's meaningless. If you know the actual incline you

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Ideally we'd have elevation tags on each node, and incline tags would then become redundant. You'd need a very fine grained elevation model for that to be the case. One reason people want steep inclines marked is to determine

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:01 AM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote: If you know the actual incline you can tag it with its value.  If you have to estimate it anyway then a hard definition on what is steep is not worth that much anymore. It is a subjective classification - not more