Re: [Tagging] More tagging questions
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: > On 07/05/2010 21:09, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > > > In Sweden we have special barriers in the ground that only larger > > vehicles can pass, meant to allow buses but not normal cars - is there a > > tag for such a thing or should I make one up? > > barrier=bus_trap > it's listed on the Key:barrier page, but without any description. Though > I assume its for something like a bus trap, as described on Wikipedia: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_trap Thanks, thats exactly it. > > Is there a a good way to define the area covered by school grounds? The > > examples and documentation about education tags seems to only apply to > > nodes or individual buildings - I would like something like > > landuse=school, which would also be a good place to put the name of the > > school. > > The tag amenity=school is intended for the whole area of the school and > its grounds. You can also map the school buildings, sports pitches etc > within this. > This is clearly stated on this page: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dschool > So I'm not sure which examples or documentation you are referring to. I was looking at "college" and "university", I thought "school" was just another variations so I missed that... -- Sasq ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] More tagging questions
On Sat, 8 May 2010, Craig Wallace wrote: > barrier=bus_trap > it's listed on the Key:barrier page, but without any description. Though > I assume its for something like a bus trap, as described on Wikipedia: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_trap > they could be sump_buster - depends what the barrier actually looks like ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] More tagging questions
On 07/05/2010 21:09, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > In Sweden we have special barriers in the ground that only larger > vehicles can pass, meant to allow buses but not normal cars - is there a > tag for such a thing or should I make one up? barrier=bus_trap it's listed on the Key:barrier page, but without any description. Though I assume its for something like a bus trap, as described on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_trap > Is there a a good way to define the area covered by school grounds? The > examples and documentation about education tags seems to only apply to > nodes or individual buildings - I would like something like > landuse=school, which would also be a good place to put the name of the > school. The tag amenity=school is intended for the whole area of the school and its grounds. You can also map the school buildings, sports pitches etc within this. This is clearly stated on this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dschool So I'm not sure which examples or documentation you are referring to. > Should the cliff-tag be used even for smaller drops? I've seen it used > in residential areas where bare rock can be seen, but where the > height-difference is small enough to jump up on it without using your hands. Maybe, I don't know if there's any better tag for that. You can also specify how high it is with the height=* tag. Craig ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] More tagging questions
In Sweden we have special barriers in the ground that only larger vehicles can pass, meant to allow buses but not normal cars - is there a tag for such a thing or should I make one up? Is there a a good way to define the area covered by school grounds? The examples and documentation about education tags seems to only apply to nodes or individual buildings - I would like something like landuse=school, which would also be a good place to put the name of the school. Should the cliff-tag be used even for smaller drops? I've seen it used in residential areas where bare rock can be seen, but where the height-difference is small enough to jump up on it without using your hands. -- Sasq ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
2010/5/7 "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" : >>> * surface=grass, surface=lawn, surface=whatever - I don't like this >>> because what I really want to map is not that my neighbour has a lawn >>> behind his house, but the fact that there is a private "green" property >> >> >> add access=private? > > You missed the point - I don't want to add the information about the > surface, I just want to say that this area is a backyard/garden around > family house. That's what access=private says (that it is a private property). If you want to deal with the "around family house"-fact: draw the house. >>> - I think it makes no sense to try to map and tag every piece of these >>> areas like "this" is grass, "this" is a bed of carrot, "there" are >>> roses, "here" we have some bushes etc. >> >> >> why not? As long as people do want to do this and only tag what is >> there, I don't have a problem with it. > > Second problem is that, personally when I look at the map, I would like > to know that "here" behind the fence is grass, maybe some plants or > trees, but I really don't care if it is a bed of carrot, roses, or > tomatos... or it's only plain grass. well, then simply don't tag it like that. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer napsal(a): > 2010/5/6 "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" : >> To the proposed solutions in this thread: >> * highway=pedestrian, area=yes - It doesn't really make sense to me to >> tag private fenced and _green_ areas by highway tag. > > > sure, for green areas it isn't, for paved ones it IMO is. Yeah, but as the thread says - we are talking about the green ones ;-) > >> * surface=grass, surface=lawn, surface=whatever - I don't like this >> because what I really want to map is not that my neighbour has a lawn >> behind his house, but the fact that there is a private "green" property > > > add access=private? You missed the point - I don't want to add the information about the surface, I just want to say that this area is a backyard/garden around family house. >> - I think it makes no sense to try to map and tag every piece of these >> areas like "this" is grass, "this" is a bed of carrot, "there" are >> roses, "here" we have some bushes etc. > > > why not? As long as people do want to do this and only tag what is > there, I don't have a problem with it. Well, the first problem is that the surface may change during quite a short period of time, so it doesn't really make much sense to try to map it all and the idea of keeping that data up to date is crazy. Second problem is that, personally when I look at the map, I would like to know that "here" behind the fence is grass, maybe some plants or trees, but I really don't care if it is a bed of carrot, roses, or tomatos... or it's only plain grass. >> * leisure='garden' or leisure='park' - see above > > > leisure=park is not the right choice, sure. But leisure=garden could > IMO qualify. a) because it is at least in some areas common practise > ;-) and b) the size of the garden is already determined by the size of > the polygon. > > If you use this tag only for huge gardens of estates/castles it is > more or less useless and hard to tell the difference from a park. > Parks also have sometimes fences around them, limited access, no > access, fee for access, castles / mansions and others inside them. Big > gardens are basically parks! > > Gardens on the other hand can be completely different, from french > barocque gardens to English gardens to zen gardens (not even green). > All of them are usually much bigger then the usual detached house > garden, and can therefore simply be differentiated automatically just > by their size (e.g. mapnik can do this without any "additional > processing" just by standard rules). For human readers of the map it > is even easier. I would like to see a difference in tagging the grassy area with small basin (I wouldn't call this garden and neither would anyone who follows description on OSM wiki) and "real" garden, both can be the same size. Furthermore, it's not really true that you can with certainty differentiate large gardens from a family house backyard, because it's common practice to tag the whole block of these properties together with leisure='garden', so that a lot of small "gardens" is joined into one polygon. Best regards, Petr Morávek signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Scales / weigh stations
On Fri, 7 May 2010, John Smith wrote: > On 7 May 2010 15:54, Alan Mintz wrote: > > Periodically along US highways, there are giant scales for trucks to get > > a weight certificate to comply with various laws. How should these be > > tagged? How about: > > > > highway=motorway_link for the ramps linking to the motorway > > highway=scale for the scale node/area > > They're called weigh bridges here... scale might be a bit ambiguous... > I've probably mapped some as weighbridge already. Could someone use one of those Tag counter tools to look to see what has been used? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
On 7 May 2010 18:15, Stephen Hope wrote: > Hmm, to me there are three levels. Isn't the english language wonderful, you ask people from different natively speaking english backgrounds what something means and you end up with almost a different answer each time, although I'm guessing this problem isn't only limited to english. > How should we tag a factory outlet type store that sell's upmarket > stuff at lower prices? I can easily find stores that sell every > product at a very reduced price, but still don't sell anything less > than $100. It's just that normally it would be $300+. shop=factory_outlet ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
Hmm, to me there are three levels. Crazy Clarks is bargain/discount Target, KMart are downmarket DJ's etc are upmarket How should we tag a factory outlet type store that sell's upmarket stuff at lower prices? I can easily find stores that sell every product at a very reduced price, but still don't sell anything less than $100. It's just that normally it would be $300+. Stephen On 7 May 2010 15:00, John Smith wrote: > I wouldn't tag crazy clarkes as a department store, Kmart and Target > are along with David Jones, Myer's, Grace Brothers... However > Kmart/Target aren't in the same class as David Jones etc, hence the > discount tag... > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Jonas Minnberg wrote: >> >> That is what I like about it - when all I can find out about an area is that >> is green and lies in between buildings, "yard" is an appropriately vague >> word. > > You say you only know two things: > > 1) "it is green" --> color=green (IMHO, this is silly - don't bother > mapping this) "don't map it" is a bad advice, lets say it's already mapped by e.g. me as a leisure=park even though it isn't. So the question is how do you handle the edge cases, that someone as scrupleless as me would tag as a park. I would tag it as leisure=park, access=no > 2) "lies in between buildings" --> just map the buildings with > building=yes areas > > On the other hand, if you actually know that it's a private garden, > then that's a different story - see the other posts about how to tag > this. There are buildings which don't have atriums. One could map it as leisure=private_yard_between_houses + surface=[green_stuff | mostly_concrete] perhaps defaulting to render green as a park. Maybe it's hard to decide because there are so many words for semi private yard, other words can be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrium_%28architecture%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrangle_%28architecture%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtyard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patio_garden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard And that's not even counting what Petr wants, front side garden. -- /emj PS. Jonas hälsa Emil DS. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
