Re: [Tagging] Ultimate list of approved keys
On 02.01.2011 22:40, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Ralf Kleineisel r...@kleineisel.de wrote: I do not want someone telling me this is not relevant enough and having the right to delete my edits. Then make edits which are relevant enough By which and whose standards? Yours? Mine? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
Hi. I'm not very familiar with waterway tagging, but AFAIK these are tagged as riverbanks, too. Your proposal doesn't say anything about how to map sluice gates at these bigger rivers as it proposes the usage on nodes only. As sluice gates assumably will be more on bigger waterways, that seems to be an important point to add for me. regards Peter Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small waterways in agricultural areas at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:04:27 +0100 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small waterways in agricultural areas at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate What's the difference to waterway=weir? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dweir Regards, ULFL a weir is much bigger, and a sluice gate may be a sub part of a weir http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=17790 is Hay Weir on the Murrumbidgee, with the gates raised completely for free flow ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ultimate list of approved keys
Ralf Kleineisel napsal(a): On 01/02/2011 05:42 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: This was a expected answer. I frequently try to discover the reason OSM mappers accepting this anarchistic rule of NOT having tagging rules at all. What are the advantages for this? I prefer this over being told what I may map and what not. Ah, usual pseudo-argument - the ultimate list of approved keys (let's call it that way for now), would not limit you in what you can and cannot map, would it? AFAIK nobody has proposed to limit the content of the database only to the approved keys, use whatever key/value you like; Not being on the official list should simply mean that you probably won't see it on every map renderer and in every editor preset. Most of the software development world uses some kind of categories to mark the maturity of their work. I hope that OSM will come up with something similar. Having a list of approved, well-defined tags with good usage examples, would make life sooo much easier for both data consumers and data editors. Current approval process is broken, combine this with the fact that main documentation tool is wiki, which anyone can improve to suit his/her needs in an undergoing argument, and what you get is simply put - chaos. The theory about good tags evolving by themselves in the wild is nice, maybe it was valid once, but current list of features is so long that I really doubt that this process is working... An average newbie now just takes a look at his/her editor preset and uses whatever's there, if it's not there, take a look at the wiki or ask someone - I have done this and I've seen a bunch of questions starting with something like How should I tag XYZ? I've looked into the presets of JOSM/Merkaartor/... and could not find a good match. So the decision about what is a good tag is shifting from the crowd to a smaller group of people anyway, you may not like it, you may disagree with it, but that's pretty much all you can do ;-) Petr ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On 3 January 2011 20:04, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: What's the difference to waterway=weir? A lot of weirs I've seen don't have any kind of gates, they just semi-dam a river to provide a water supply for nearby towns, the water freely flows over the top of the weir. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:37:10 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 January 2011 20:04, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: What's the difference to waterway=weir? A lot of weirs I've seen don't have any kind of gates, they just semi-dam a river to provide a water supply for nearby towns, the water freely flows over the top of the weir. like this http://museumvictoria.museum/collections/items/766657/negative-weir-bridge-across-the-murray-river-mildura-victoria-circa-1925 to check the list from their archives would provide a good idea of the range of structures involved http://museumvictoria.museum/collections/tags/weirs?t=Imagesize=50 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On 3 January 2011 21:06, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: like this http://museumvictoria.museum/collections/items/766657/negative-weir-bridge-across-the-murray-river-mildura-victoria-circa-1925 I doubt I've seen such a large weir in person, I was thinking more along the lines of this: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/13825102.jpg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane
Google's measurement tool? Waar kan ik die vinden en hoe werkt deze? -Robert- Citeren j...@jfeldredge.com: Two feet wide is about what I had estimated by looking at the photograph, which is why I commented that the bicycle might fit into the bike lane, but part of the rider would have to extend over the line into the automobile lane. Your wheels would be more-or-less atop the lane divider stripe. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane From :mailto:o...@inbox.org Date :Sun Jan 02 22:41:09 America/Chicago 2011 On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Not having a sense of depth, I'd guess in the narrow spot it's about 4 feet wide, which is, believe it or not, the federal minimum width for bike lanes (though I wish Ray would hurry up and adopt Oregon's 6 foot lanes and make them mandatory to receive highway funding...) Google's measurement tool gives more like 2 feet. (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.078571,-82.56522spn=0.000622,0.000912t=hz=20) On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I would call the highway department every day until they fix what they screwed up. 1-850-617-2000 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
2011/1/3 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small waterways in agricultural areas at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate What's the difference to waterway=weir? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dweir IMHO the difference is that a weir is used to control the water level (and sometimes used to produce energy) while a sluice gate is used for ships to navigate in rivers/canals with different levels (it is part of steps for ships). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On 3 January 2011 21:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO the difference is that a weir is used to control the water level (and sometimes used to produce energy) while a sluice gate is used for ships to navigate in rivers/canals with different levels (it is part of steps for ships). Depends on the type of gates as to the use, doesn't it? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane
On 01/02/2011 10:41 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Paul Johnson baloo-PVOPTusIyP/sroww+9z...@public.gmane.org wrote: Not having a sense of depth, I'd guess in the narrow spot it's about 4 feet wide, which is, believe it or not, the federal minimum width for bike lanes (though I wish Ray would hurry up and adopt Oregon's 6 foot lanes and make them mandatory to receive highway funding...) Google's measurement tool gives more like 2 feet. (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.078571,-82.56522spn=0.000622,0.000912t=hz=20) Yeah, that doesn't meet standards. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Paul Johnson baloo-PVOPTusIyP/sroww+9z...@public.gmane.org wrote: I would call the highway department every day until they fix what they screwed up. 1-850-617-2000 I'm not Floridian, so they don't care about me. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane
On 03/01/2011 03:50, Paul Johnson wrote: On 01/01/2011 07:54 AM, Dave F. wrote: Is the adjacent path shared? if so, note that that would be the safer passage. Most states prohibit bicycles from sidewalks, or limit their speed to a walking speed on sidewalks, making them useless for bicyclists. Really? Is that US thing? Do they have signs? What about joggers runners? That, and nobody expects vehicles to be driving on the sidewalk to start with, so it's not a safer option for the bicycle operator, other traffic, or pedestrians to have bicycles there. I clearly stated *if*. Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane
On 03/01/2011 03:53, Paul Johnson wrote: On 01/01/2011 01:28 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robert Elsenaarrobert-Sr3mCESyW84k+I/owrr...@public.gmane.org wrote: hazard:bicycle is the other way round. If there is a key/value e.g. hazard=narrow then you can easily use cycleway:hazard=narrow to tag the fact that the hazard tag is specificly warns for a narrow cycle-lane. highway=* cycleway:right=lane cycleway:width=0.5 cycleway:hazard=narrow But the hazard won't always be in a cycleway. For instance there may be streetcar tracks in the road - fine for motorists, but cyclists have to watch out. Should we start tagging potholes while we're at it? http://www.fillthathole.org.uk/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 03/01/2011 03:50, Paul Johnson wrote: On 01/01/2011 07:54 AM, Dave F. wrote: Is the adjacent path shared? if so, note that that would be the safer passage. Most states prohibit bicycles from sidewalks, or limit their speed to a walking speed on sidewalks, making them useless for bicyclists. Really? Is that US thing? Do they have signs? What about joggers runners? In Florida, bikes are allowed on sidewalks by default unless the city bans them (Orlando does, for example, with no signs posted). Speed is not limited, but pedestrians have right-of-way. That, and nobody expects vehicles to be driving on the sidewalk to start with, so it's not a safer option for the bicycle operator, other traffic, or pedestrians to have bicycles there. I clearly stated *if*. Even if the sidewalk were officially designated as a shared path, that would not make it any safer. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On 03/01/2011 10:04, Ulf Lamping wrote: Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small waterways in agricultural areas at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate What's the difference to waterway=weir? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dweir A weir is an immovable barrier to retain water level: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01789/Andy-Brown-bath_1789275i.jpg Towards the top of that picture behind the larger tree is a sluice gate: http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/17/89/178908_0f6d11ea.jpg Which is a gate that can be raised to allow flood waters to pass through quickly, or in some instances to deliberately flood land for agricultural use: http://www.nrm.gov.au/projects/vic/gbro/images/2006-08a.jpg Cheers Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On 03/01/2011 11:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/1/3 Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small waterways in agricultural areas at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate What's the difference to waterway=weir? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dweir ...while a sluice gate is used for ships to navigate in rivers/canals with different levels (it is part of steps for ships). Those are called locks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lock_%28water_transport%29 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:39 AM, rob...@elsenaar.info wrote: Google's measurement tool? http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.078571,-82.56522spn=0.000622,0.000912t=hz=20 Bottom left hand corner. Click the ruler. Click the start point. Click the end point. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On 03/01/2011 15:10, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:00:08 + Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: A weir is an immovable barrier to retain water level: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01789/Andy-Brown-bath_1789275i.jpg Even that isn't completely correct Weirs on the Murray and Murrumbidgee can be removed during flood times Mildura Weir out of the water http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150349468545206set=a.10150349467770206.581577.329408210205 Balranald Weir out of the water http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=17253 Although it's hard to decipher what's happening in the second photo' , I would describe the movable parts as sluice gates not weirs. Cheers Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane
On 03/01/2011 14:36, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Even if the sidewalk were officially designated as a shared path, that would not make it any safer. This could degenerate into a long winded argument, so to save us a lot of typing I'll say from the outset that we should agree to disagree. Cheers Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Even if the sidewalk were officially designated as a shared path, that would not make it any safer. Yeah, the only way the sidewalk is a safer path would be if you slow down and yield to cars at every crosswalk. While you might arguably have the right of way in some such situations, many people driving cars just don't expect relatively fast moving vehicles to appear in crosswalks. The safest path in this particular section of road for a bicyclist who doesn't want to basically stop and look both ways at every intersection, would be in the right-hand motor vehicle lane. At least until after the bridge, and probably all the way through the Veterans Expressway interchange. Of course, except for at the bridge itself, where I think anyone would agree that it's reasonably necessary to avoid the bike lane, riding in the motor vehicle lane is arguably illegal, due to the mandatory bike lane law. So in one sense, yeah, the sidewalk probably is the safest path. It's the path I'll be taking my son on the first time he rides that way. But its safety assumes you're going to slow down and yield at every intersection. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
2010/12/16 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: it depends on what an attraction is. i'm not averse to using it, but in the US at least, an attraction is usually some place you park, maybe buy tickets, and go in a building, park, etc for a more extended experience. Yeah, but don't go thinking that every cultural stereotype surrounding the word attraction has to apply to a tag of the same name. Btw, historic=yes is another candidate. Of the existing tags, that might be the best actually. IMHO those could both (the highway-marker and the dog) be tagged as landmarks. Both of them do IMHO not qualify for artwork and at least the marker is surely not an attraction (I guess also the dog is not really a tourist attraction, but this should be judged upon with local knowledge). I found this page about landmarks, which seems to see landmarks only as stuff related to navigation on the water (I would ignore this or better amend the page): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landmark cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Plant Nursery
Hello, Hereby I want to invite everyone to vote on the Plant Nursery proposal and its associated Plant tagging proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Plant_nursery http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Plant Kind regards, -- Kenny Moens ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
On 1/3/11 10:53 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/12/16 Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: it depends on what an attraction is. i'm not averse to using it, but in the US at least, an attraction is usually some place you park, maybe buy tickets, and go in a building, park, etc for a more extended experience. Yeah, but don't go thinking that every cultural stereotype surrounding the word attraction has to apply to a tag of the same name. the tradeoff here is that it's nice if tags do at some level match up with expectations. as new mappers arrive, they don't have a history of participating in these discussions and if we want them to stick around, maybe we should avoid being contrary for the sake of being contrary. Btw, historic=yes is another candidate. Of the existing tags, that might be the best actually. IMHO those could both (the highway-marker and the dog) be tagged as landmarks. Both of them do IMHO not qualify for artwork and at least the marker is surely not an attraction (I guess also the dog is not really a tourist attraction, but this should be judged upon with local knowledge). I found this page about landmarks, which seems to see landmarks only as stuff related to navigation on the water (I would ignore this or better amend the page): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landmark i'd certainly prefer to see a more general definition of landmark which applied to these sorts of not-exactly-an-attraction entities, as that is certainly a normal usage of landmark. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
Let's take it on the opposite, we have devices to control water, sort of 'dams'. * Water can go above, under, trough, or between gates * Can be fixed, moving, removable * Can be nodes, ways, or polygons I'm no expert in english, but somebody here could end up with a set of english word that would fit? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] bridge=aqueduct mapped as polygon riverbank?
2010/12/19 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Hi Does anyone have an example of a bridge=aqueduct/yes that's been mapped as polygon riverbank to give width to the waterway? I would say that riverbank is not the right tag for any kind of bridges. The wiki says for riverbanks: This describes the tagging scheme for large rivers, or sections of a river which are wide enough to require mapping of distinct areas of water/river banks. so doesn't actually define anything for canals ;-) (OK, maybe we should amend this definition and substitute river by waterway or body of flowing water so that canals are comprised). The require part of the definition is pointless IMHO, as it is never required but could be useful anywhere. I guess your question refers to situations like: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:KanalbrueckeDigoin.jpgfiletimestamp=20081223125641 http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:WasserstrassenkreuzMinden.jpgfiletimestamp=20060105185751 more can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigable_aqueduct In German those would probably not be called aqueduct at all, (in German this is called Trogbrücke, which is kind of a bridge), that's why I have some barrier in accepting that this is a kind of aqueduct (maybe navigable aqueduct is not part of aqueducts?). I think this is not a problem reduced to waterways but we should have a better representation for bridges in general. I'd propose to have an outlining polygon for the bridge, that describes the whole bridge area, and to which a name for the bridge and other data can be associated, which would also solve the problem whether 2 adjacent bridges are really 2 separate bridges or simply one that seems to be 2 in OSM. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] bridge=aqueduct mapped as polygon riverbank?
The English Wikipedia article on navigable aqueducts gives water bridge as an alternate English-language name for such structures. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] bridge=aqueduct mapped as polygon riverbank? From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Mon Jan 03 11:44:11 America/Chicago 2011 2010/12/19 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Hi Does anyone have an example of a bridge=aqueduct/yes that's been mapped as polygon riverbank to give width to the waterway? I would say that riverbank is not the right tag for any kind of bridges. The wiki says for riverbanks: This describes the tagging scheme for large rivers, or sections of a river which are wide enough to require mapping of distinct areas of water/river banks. so doesn't actually define anything for canals ;-) (OK, maybe we should amend this definition and substitute river by waterway or body of flowing water so that canals are comprised). The require part of the definition is pointless IMHO, as it is never required but could be useful anywhere. I guess your question refers to situations like: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:KanalbrueckeDigoin.jpgfiletimestamp=20081223125641 http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:WasserstrassenkreuzMinden.jpgfiletimestamp=20060105185751 more can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigable_aqueduct In German those would probably not be called aqueduct at all, (in German this is called Trogbrücke, which is kind of a bridge), that's why I have some barrier in accepting that this is a kind of aqueduct (maybe navigable aqueduct is not part of aqueducts?). I think this is not a problem reduced to waterways but we should have a better representation for bridges in general. I'd propose to have an outlining polygon for the bridge, that describes the whole bridge area, and to which a name for the bridge and other data can be associated, which would also solve the problem whether 2 adjacent bridges are really 2 separate bridges or simply one that seems to be 2 in OSM. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Plant Nursery
Robert, I think best is to apply the common guidelines here? A rule of thumb for enough support is /8 unanimous approval votes/ or /15 total votes with a majority approval/, but other factors may also be considered (such as whether a feature is already in use). -- Source: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features#Proposal_status_process PS: if other factors apply, please advise, I'm quite new to the proposal/voting process on OpenStreetMap. Kind regards, Kenny Moens On 03/01/2011 19:18, Robert Elsenaar wrote: After how many votes your proposal is approved? -Robert- -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Kenny Moens Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:13 PM To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Plant Nursery Hello, Hereby I want to invite everyone to vote on the Plant Nursery proposal and its associated Plant tagging proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Plant_nursery http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Plant Kind regards, -- Kenny Moens ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
They both have elements of flow control, but function in quite different ways and look very different. A weir is used to raise the water level or control flow, with water flowing over the top. A sluice gate is essentially a valve for small waterways. -Original Message- From: tagging-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:tagging- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ulf Lamping Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:04 AM To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small waterways in agricultural areas at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate What's the difference to waterway=weir? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dweir Regards, ULFL ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
All the sluice gates I've seen are on the scale of 1m in opening size. A quick google image search also seems to only turn up small gates. I suppose there could be some large gates out there, so the proposal might need to include ways or even areas. As for riverbanks, the ones I've seen are near riverbanks, but not actually on them. In the case of a sluice gate that is actually on the bank, you'd have a node that is shared between the small waterway (waterway=ditch or waterway=stream), the riverbank, and is tagged with waterway=sluice_gate -Original Message- From: tagging-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:tagging- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wendorff Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:52 AM To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate Hi. I'm not very familiar with waterway tagging, but AFAIK these are tagged as riverbanks, too. Your proposal doesn't say anything about how to map sluice gates at these bigger rivers as it proposes the usage on nodes only. As sluice gates assumably will be more on bigger waterways, that seems to be an important point to add for me. regards Peter Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small waterways in agricultural areas at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On 03/01/2011 21:01, Richard Welty wrote: floodgate would seem to be the general term for these sorts of things; sluice_gate would be a subtype: I would say it's the other way around - flood prevention is one use of a sluice gate. As I pointed out, a sluice gate an be used for irrigation purposes. Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
Am 03.01.2011 21:20, schrieb Paul Norman: They both have elements of flow control, but function in quite different ways and look very different. A weir is used to raise the water level or control flow, with water flowing over the top. A sluice gate is essentially a valve for small waterways. You might add such a description to the wiki page, as others might be confused as much as I was. BTW: My feeling is, that sluice gates formerly were tagged with waterway=weir most of the time anyway. The suggested term floodgate would be more intuitive for me as a none native speaker - if the term fits for native speakers as well. Regards, ULFL ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On 1/3/11 4:16 PM, Dave F. wrote: On 03/01/2011 21:01, Richard Welty wrote: floodgate would seem to be the general term for these sorts of things; sluice_gate would be a subtype: I would say it's the other way around - flood prevention is one use of a sluice gate. As I pointed out, a sluice gate an be used for irrigation purposes. i see your point, but the result is that i don't that we have a proper subset relationship here. the tagging selected will of necessity be a compromise, then. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:33:18 -0800 Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: All the sluice gates I've seen are on the scale of 1m in opening size. A quick google image search also seems to only turn up small gates. I suppose there could be some large gates out there, so the proposal might need to include ways or even areas. If you check this article http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/sightseers-flood-to-spilling-dam/story-e6frg6nf-1225936851387 you will find the following synonyms used floodgate spillway gate spillgate sluice gate and here is the official picture of Wivenhoe Dam http://www.seqwater.com.au/public/sites/default/files/userfiles/image/dams/wivenhoe_spillway.jpg and the official picture of Somerset Dam http://www.seqwater.com.au/public/sites/default/files/userfiles/image/dams/somerset_dam2.jpg here, in irrigated agriculture the small things are called pipe ends and headwalls I don't think either of these terms are suitable. http://www.colyconcrete.com.au/images/content-images/altin-headwall-steeldoor-2.jpg http://www.colyconcrete.com.au/images/content-images/altin-headwall-steeldoor-1.jpg http://www.colyconcrete.com.au/images/content-images/altin-headwall-stepped-2.jpg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:23:34 + Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Balranald Weir out of the water http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=17253 Although it's hard to decipher what's happening in the second photo' , I would describe the movable parts as sluice gates not weirs. When the flood is over I'll take a chance to photograph the weir in place. It is a weir, intended to regulate water flow. it does not have sluice gates The information sign onsite says Structure: A concrete and steel weir with a crest length of 40 metres incorporating removable stop panels and trestles which can be lowered during floods. http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=17250 It also contains a Deelder Fish Lock http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=17252 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:28:06 +0100 yvecai yve...@gmail.com wrote: Let's take it on the opposite, we have devices to control water, sort of 'dams'. * Water can go above, under, through, or between gates * Can be fixed, moving, removable * Can be nodes, ways, or polygons I'm no expert in english, but somebody here could end up with a set of english word that would fit? just add a lock for boats and a lock for fish and we'll be almost done ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Airport subtypes
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: A scan through the wikipedia gives me international airport domestic airport regional airport airstrip or airfield +1 Why not adopt the usual subtagging scheme: aeroway=aerodrome aerodrome=international|regional|domestic|etc. I have a feeling we discussed this a few months ago. My suggestion would be to simply use numbers, if you're talking about a ranking scheme: aeroway=aerodrome aerodrome_level=1|2|3|4|5 This avoids all the problems we get when one country uses regional to mean something different from another, and the mappers there hate using regional in a way that is non-intuitive to them. Whereas with numbers, we can simply say in Timbuktu, regional is a level 2, but in Germany it's level 3. Also, I definitely think we should try and align to external standards. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Any suggestions how to tag this? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:IMG_7491.JPG This raises an interesting philosophical question: Does OSM map what *we* consider to be a bike lane (or a park, or a service road, or a tertiary highway...) or what *someone else* says it is? The latter path is sometimes simpler and gives more consistent, objective results: the bike lane here is clearly signed, and can simply be marked bicycle=lane. If we take the former option, then we get enormous amounts of debate about how to tag even a single entity, as seen in this thread: well, if it were more than 4 feet wide, I'd consider it a bike path, otherwise not... Me, I lean towards the someone else for some things like bike lanes, and the we decide path when there is no useful authority. It would good to have some policy on this. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com writes: This raises an interesting philosophical question: Does OSM map what *we* consider to be a bike lane (or a park, or a service road, or a tertiary highway...) or what *someone else* says it is? The latter path is sometimes simpler and gives more consistent, objective results: the bike lane here is clearly signed, and can simply be marked bicycle=lane. If we take the former option, then we get enormous amounts of debate about how to tag even a single entity, as seen in this thread: well, if it were more than 4 feet wide, I'd consider it a bike path, otherwise not... Me, I lean towards the someone else for some things like bike lanes, and the we decide path when there is no useful authority. I agree 100%. To help sharpen this, I'll observe that the debate here has not been about is that a bike lane. It's been about do we want to be complicit in calling it a bike lane (even though it clearly is intended as one) because we don't think it's safe. The intellectually honest position in the db is The government thinks its a bike lane. Note that it's too narrow to be safe. Rendering is harder, but we don't have to debate that here. pgp8zAOzn5iSi.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
