[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - default layer value for bridge and tunnel

2011-01-17 Thread Canabis
Hi all

Voting on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/default_layer_for_bridge_and_tunnelwas
been started on 11.01.2011.
I was sent messages to this mailling list 15.12.2010 about start RFC and
11.01.2011 about start voting. Messages had to go through after being
moderated because I am not a member of the mailing list. I didn't recieved
notification of block of messages. I relied on the phrase in the auto
answer: Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.

Please voting at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/default_layer_for_bridge_and_tunnel#Votinghttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/default_layer_for_bridge_and_tunnel


Best Regards,
canabis
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - default layer value for bridge and tunnel

2011-01-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst

Canabis wrote:
 I didn't recieved notification of block of messages. I relied 
 on the phrase in the auto answer: Either the message will 
 get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the 
 moderator's decision.

Unfortunately the amount of spam postings and cross-postings from
non-subscribers is such that it isn't practical to filter messages
one-by-one. If you want to post to the list, as with any OSM mailing list,
you need to subscribe.

Richard (tagging@ moderator)

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[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - default layer value for bridge and tunnel

2011-01-17 Thread Canabis
 Canabis wrote:
 * I didn't recieved notification of block of messages. I relied
 ** on the phrase in the auto answer: Either the message will
 ** get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the
 ** moderator's decision.
 *
 Unfortunately the amount of spam postings and cross-postings from

 non-subscribers is such that it isn't practical to filter messages
 one-by-one. If you want to post to the list, as with any OSM mailing list,
 you need to subscribe.

 Richard (tagging@ moderator)



 Maybe put this information into auto answer text!?

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Scuba diving (Shop or spot)

2011-01-17 Thread eMerzh
Hi,

Thanks Robert for your corrections and comments :)

personnaly i think that multiple value are harder to read, to compute
and to search it's the reason why i chose this...
now that you  tell me this i'm bit confused not sure which one to choose...

what others are thinking?

Thanks for your feedback

eMerzh


On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 19:46, Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info wrote:
 I have corrected some typo's last week
 I was pleased you used namespaces. That good.

 I want to make a suggestion to configure this a little different.

   * scuba_diving:filling=air;nitrox32;nitrox36;trimix;oxygen

 In that way to are prepared to future developments and also you don't have
 to create extra sub tags.

 Also like this:

   * scuba_diving:services=repair;cources

 I hope you can use it.

 -Robert-z


 -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: eMerzh
 Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:37 PM
 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Scuba diving (Shop or spot)

 Hi everybody,
 I'm a scuba diver and when i goes somewhere to dive, i map the place in osm.
 Previously, i've checked the wiki and saw the tag sport=diving [1], so i use
 it.
 But later, i discovered the other, but still in proposed state, tag
 : sport=scuba_diving [2].
 When i compare the tags for sport=diving [3] and sport=scuba_diving
 [4], scuba_diving is far more used
 (~59 vs ~2200)
 I've also discovered another tagging schem/guide  for scuba in Switzerland
 [5]

 But it seems that we haven't anything official and spread...(
 sport=scuba_diving is stuck in the process and look a bit messy)

 So i've made another proposition :
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/scuba_diving2

 It basically take ideas from the differents schemes, trying to reuse
 existing tags and use what's currently in the db.


 If the process is accepted i'll try to reach creators of sport=diving
 to propose to change theres features to the new scheme

 Please add your comments here or on the talk page if you have one...

 Thanks
 eMerzh

 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Ddiving
 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/scuba_diving
 [3] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/tags/?key=sportvalue=diving
 [4] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/tags/?key=sportvalue=scuba_diving
 [5] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland/DiveSpots

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
 The question is, what else would go there? Flood gates don't belong there -
 that's the *usage* of the gate, not the *type* of gate.

From a technical perspective you may be right, but practically
speaking, we should design tagging schemes with usability in mind.
People are likely to know that there is a flood gate, not that
there is a hinged crest gate.

So something like:

waterway=flood_gate
flood_gate=sluice_gate

...is more usable for non-techie nerds than something like:
waterway=flow_control
flow_control=sluice_gate
usage=flood_gate

Steve

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
 The question is, what else would go there? Flood gates don't belong there -
 that's the *usage* of the gate, not the *type* of gate.

 From a technical perspective you may be right, but practically
 speaking, we should design tagging schemes with usability in mind.
 People are likely to know that there is a flood gate, not that
 there is a hinged crest gate.

On the other hand, what if one knows that there's a gate but not its
purpose (for instance, when mapping drainage canals through swampy
areas)?

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-17 Thread Paul Norman
 On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
  The question is, what else would go there? Flood gates don't belong
  there - that's the *usage* of the gate, not the *type* of gate.
 
 From a technical perspective you may be right, but practically speaking,
 we should design tagging schemes with usability in mind.
 People are likely to know that there is a flood gate, not that there
 is a hinged crest gate.
 
 So something like:
 
 waterway=flood_gate
 flood_gate=sluice_gate
 
 ...is more usable for non-techie nerds than something like:
 waterway=flow_control
 flow_control=sluice_gate
 usage=flood_gate


Most of the sluice gates around here are not flood gates. For some of the
ones I've mapped I'm not sure if they're flood gates or not, but I know
they're sluice gates because that is obvious from a quick look while to say
if they're flood gates or not I would need to know how they're being used,
when they're opened, etc


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
 On the other hand, what if one knows that there's a gate but not its
 purpose (for instance, when mapping drainage canals through swampy
 areas)?

Indeed. How to cater for both situations?

Steve

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 January 2011 09:18, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
 waterway=flood_gate
 flood_gate=sluice_gate

 ...is more usable for non-techie nerds than something like:
 waterway=flow_control
 flow_control=sluice_gate
 usage=flood_gate

So why do we use highway=* for even small tracks?

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
 So why do we use highway=* for even small tracks?

The tagging system as a whole will never be entirely consistent, or
even operate on consistent principles. The best we can do is fix small
chunks at a time, and make those chunks as big as is practical.

Therefore, let's not avoid fixing X just because it doesn't fix Y as well.

Steve

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 January 2011 16:13, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
 So why do we use highway=* for even small tracks?

 The tagging system as a whole will never be entirely consistent, or
 even operate on consistent principles. The best we can do is fix small
 chunks at a time, and make those chunks as big as is practical.

 Therefore, let's not avoid fixing X just because it doesn't fix Y as well.

Exactly, so why should we use flood when at least half or more of
these things have nothing to do with flooding?

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