Re: [Tagging] start_date question
M?rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a highway=cycleway railway=abandoned, what does the start_date tag refer to? *start of rail operations? *abandonment of the railway? *opening of the cycleway? IMHO the last one: *opening of the cycleway According to the wiki (1) start_date is the date the construction of feature finished (could related to end_date). Here there is 2 features, but only one active. start_date should be related to cycle_way a railway:start_date could tell the railway construction... perhaps. (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:start_date -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Locating the voting page for a tag
While looking into some issues around a bad import, I ran across http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/Lights_Data_Model but was unable to find a page with voting or discussion. Although the tag voting process has many flaws, this doesn't say it was added because it is what was commonly used. Does anyone know where the voting page is? I've gone and fixed some of the flaws. For example, the page was implying that something is render a certain way, but was really just making rendering suggestions. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Locating the voting page for a tag
2011/3/13 Paul Norman penor...@mac.com: While looking into some issues around a bad import, I ran across http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/Lights_Data_Model but was unable to find a page with voting or discussion. Although the tag voting process has many flaws, this doesn’t say it was added because it is what was commonly used. Does anyone know where the voting page is? I’ve gone and fixed some of the flaws. For example, the page was implying that something is render a certain way, but was really just making rendering suggestions. There is the project openseamap.org who are (I guess) using the rendering they describe on their page in the wiki. I suggest you contact them if you want to make changes to their userspace in the wiki. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Locating the voting page for a tag
Paul, You must have missed these words at the top of the wiki page: These definitions relate to node tags in the OSM database which will render on the OpenSeaMap charts i.e. The renderings defined are not those of the OpenStreetMap renderer, but OpenSeaMap's own renderer. That is also why you have found no tagging discussions, since these tag definitions are not intended for the Street Map. I have reverted the page. Regards, Malcolm Herring ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Locating the voting page for a tag
People are adding these tags to OSM, presumably based on the wiki page. They're on the osm.org wiki, how do they not apply to the osm database? Also, I'm not sure what you mean by the OpenStreetMap renderer. There are dozens of renderers that work from OpenStreetMap data, of which OpenSeaMap is one of them, along with MapQuest Open, osm.org mapnik, osmarender, etc. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Herring [mailto:malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 3:36 PM To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Locating the voting page for a tag Paul, You must have missed these words at the top of the wiki page: These definitions relate to node tags in the OSM database which will render on the OpenSeaMap charts i.e. The renderings defined are not those of the OpenStreetMap renderer, but OpenSeaMap's own renderer. That is also why you have found no tagging discussions, since these tag definitions are not intended for the Street Map. I have reverted the page. Regards, Malcolm Herring ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Locating the voting page for a tag
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: People are adding these tags to OSM, presumably based on the wiki page. They're on the osm.org wiki, how do they not apply to the osm database? Paul, They do apply to the osm database (These definitions relate to node tags in the OSM database). Also, I'm not sure what you mean by the OpenStreetMap renderer. There are Some people refer to the mapnik layer at osm.org as The OpenStreetMap renderer. We can try to treat all renderers equally, but inevitably the one on the front page will get most of the attention. But Malcolm is merely saying that general purpose renderers (like MapQuest Open, osm.org mapnik, osmarender, etc) are not expected to implement the rules on the wiki page. dozens of renderers that work from OpenStreetMap data, of which OpenSeaMap is one of them, along with MapQuest Open, osm.org mapnik, osmarender, etc. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Herring [mailto:malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 3:36 PM To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Locating the voting page for a tag Paul, You must have missed these words at the top of the wiki page: These definitions relate to node tags in the OSM database which will render on the OpenSeaMap charts i.e. The renderings defined are not those of the OpenStreetMap renderer, but OpenSeaMap's own renderer. That is also why you have found no tagging discussions, since these tag definitions are not intended for the Street Map. I have reverted the page. Regards, Malcolm Herring ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Locating the voting page for a tag
On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 14:16 -0700, Paul Norman wrote: While looking into some issues around a bad import, I ran across http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/Lights_Data_Model but was unable to find a page with voting or discussion. Not every tag has to be voted on. Some wiki pages exist to document tagging schemes that are already in use, I’ve gone and fixed some of the flaws. For example, the page was implying that something is render a certain way, but was really just making rendering suggestions. In OSM, there are many many renderers. As others have pointed out, OpenSeaMap renders using different styles to mapnik, osmarender, cycle map, etc. Please dont 'fix' pages just because your choice of renderer doesnt support some feature. If you really want to correct the situation, work the other way and make your choice of render follow the rules that 'something is rendered a certain way'. If shop=florist doesnt render in renderer A but it does in renderer B, that doesnt mean that you should rewrite the wiki page to say that shop=florist is really only a rendering suggestion, but you could for example re-write it to show what renderers DO support the tagging combination. In this particular case, the relevant line is at the top of the wiki page, telling you what renderers support the tags. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
