Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Tobias Knerr
Nathan Edgars II wrote: Currently user Alv is trying to redefine the lanes tag to say that it must include all turn lanes: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:lanesaction=history Since 2008, the lane tag has been defined as the _physical_ number of lanes. In other words, it

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Erik Johansson
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Currently user Alv is trying to redefine the lanes tag to say that it must include all turn lanes: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:lanesaction=history I've had this discussion before 2007 and I've

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/18 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Currently user Alv is trying to redefine the lanes tag to say that it must include all turn lanes: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:lanesaction=history

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/18/2011 8:33 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: +1, lanes from the very beginning were to indicate all lanes of the road. Opposed to this was the common practice, not to split an highway because of a short lane for turns (otherwise we would for example have had to split a motorway at every exit

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Erik Johansson
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/18/2011 8:33 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: +1, lanes from the very beginning were to indicate all lanes of the road. Opposed to this was the common practice, not to split an highway because of a short lane for

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/9/18 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: Btw the current wiki page seems to say that you should count cycle lanes in the lanes tag, something I don't really agree with. +1, maybe we should specify that lanes is about car-lanes (restricted lanes like bus-lanes or cycle-lanes should IMHO be

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/18/2011 9:12 AM, Erik Johansson wrote: The current lanes tag works pretty well for me as a pedestrian, it tells me how many lanes there is on a road. This could be more usefully placed in the crossing node. Outside a crosswalk, it's much more useful to know if there's a shelter (raised

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Dave F.
On 18/09/2011 14:21, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/9/18 Erik Johanssonerjo...@gmail.com: Btw the current wiki page seems to say that you should count cycle lanes in the lanes tag, something I don't really agree with. +1, maybe we should specify that lanes is about car-lanes (restricted

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Dave F.
On 18/09/2011 16:20, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 9/18/2011 9:12 AM, Erik Johansson wrote: The current lanes tag works pretty well for me as a pedestrian, it tells me how many lanes there is on a road. This could be more usefully placed in the crossing node. Outside a crosswalk, it's much more

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/18/2011 1:12 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: I would use lanes=2 there, since that's how many through lanes there are before the turn lanes begin. And you think any other number of lanes would be *wrong*? No. What I don't

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/18/2011 1:18 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Anthonyo...@inbox.org wrote: Yes, mapping every lane as a separate way would be even better, but let's go one step at a time. Actually, I take back that last sentence:

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/18/2011 1:12 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  wrote: I would use lanes=2 there, since that's how many through lanes there are before the turn lanes begin.

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/18/2011 1:18 PM, Anthony wrote: http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/reviews/tomtom-v8/v8_lane_assist_northwest2_speed_alert.jpg Do you think Garmin is mapping every lane as a separate way here?  I don't think they are,

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: It's simple on a motorway. But, for a simple example on a surface road, how do you know where the straight lanes go if there are 3 lanes after an

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/18/2011 1:34 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/18/2011 1:18 PM, Anthony wrote: http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/reviews/tomtom-v8/v8_lane_assist_northwest2_speed_alert.jpg Do you think Garmin is mapping every lane as a

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/18/2011 1:39 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 9/18/2011 1:38 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Anthonyo...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: It's simple on a motorway. But, for a simple example on a surface road,

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: This can be determined by the geometry of the ways, which are mapped at the center. No they're not. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/18/2011 1:38 PM, Anthony wrote:

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/18/2011 1:47 PM, Anthony wrote: Ways aren't mapped at the center?  Where are they mapped? Somewhere between the two edge lines. Always using the exact center would require zigzagging whenever lanes are created or

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/18/2011 2:00 PM, Anthony wrote: The way is supposed to follow the angled dashed lines. I thought the way was supposed to be in the center between the edge lines. Which is it? I never mentioned edge lines. There

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/18/2011 2:07 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/18/2011 2:00 PM, Anthony wrote: The way is supposed to follow the angled dashed lines. I thought the way was supposed to be in the center between the edge lines. Which is it?

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/18/2011 2:15 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: And if lanes suddenly jumps from 2 to 3, then what? Then you split the way. That doesn't answer the question. Where do you put the node connecting the two ways? At the center of

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm fine with that if we can be consistent.  But that means http://g.co/maps/4j2uh is tagged as lanes=0, lanes:turning:left=2, lanes:turning:right=2. Otherwise, lanes=4, lanes:turning:left=2, lanes:turning:right=2 is ambiguous.

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/18/2011 2:15 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  wrote: And if lanes suddenly jumps from 2 to 3, then what? Then you split the way. That doesn't answer the