Re: [Tagging] Potale
2012/8/29 André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com ** On 2012-08-28 13:16, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2012/8/28 André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com a_pir...@hotmail.com: I finally made it amenity: place_of_worship historic: wayside_shrine name: potale du Christ religion: christian which is exactly what it is, except that St Mary is actually worshiped there. -1 it is not what it is IMHO. place_of_worship is misleading. What do you tag/call a place where the people of the village gather or stop to celebrate St Mary? Seeing the sign on the IGN map, I first thought it was a chapel until I made a trip to see it. And it looks like they cherish it as the chapel they can't afford. IMHO the wayside_shrine already implies worshipping in some way. amenity=place_of_worship is used for churches, synagogues, temples, mosques and so on (note: all places where you enter/access the place for worshipping) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Church tagging these potales almost the same will probably lead to ambiguity. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 35, Issue 53 foot versus hiking message 5
Hi From: tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Tagging Digest, Vol 35, Issue 53 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:20:30 +0100 Send Tagging mailing list submissions to tagging@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at tagging-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Tagging digest... That pesky Belgian is subscribed to this list as well. It's funny how in The Netherlands and France my announcement was met with: oh good, we've been tagging them with hiking all along. (Only one person in each country to be fair). Whereas in Germany I seem to have kicked a hornet's nest. Anyway, all I'd like to see is that all long distance routes (nwn) and all routes of the numbered node network (rwn) and all local routes (lwn) can be tagged in a consistent way. Since we had gotten the impression that foot and hiking had become synonyms and that hiking seemed to be becoming the favourite and also what Potlatch uses in its preset we were considering to change our Belgian wiki page about them. (We started out with route=foot/network=foot). As far as I'm concerned, if we change the wiki page, then we better also change the data all in one go. I guess we could live with nwn and rwn use route=hiking and lwn use route=foot. Or we can simply keep with all of them as route=foot. We don't really care what it is, but then change the global wiki page on walking routes and ask the Potlatch developers to use route=foot. route=hiking can then be used for routes going through the mountains and the wilderness with a backpack strapped on, which would be a lot more appropriate, linguistically speaking. What I'd prefer to get rid of is the hodge podge we have now, where some routes have route=foot and others have route=hiking, even when they belong to the same numbered node network. PolyglotHi I ve busy walking on foot and hiking in the Netherlands for some time, Im just satisfied to know that theres a path. At first Im not interested in the users or functions of it. There a lot of routes in the country (Not just here but all over Europe) with just a description (book) and no sign at all, are those routes not countable in OSM ? A path is just a path that youll be able to go on your own feet.foot - yeshighway - footwayname - law 5route - nordic_walkingowner - lawroute - hikingor any other route that uses this track or path. But whats the difference between hiking and foot, the distance or the backpack ? All long distance footpaths are cut into daytrips. So that you dont have to take a large pack for just a day.Dont make it to complex by building all the possible functions into the definition of the path. Or tag it likewise. What to do with a footpath that is used for several outdoor sports, how to tag that, a complete list ? Go ahead like I did, keep it simple.Greetz Hendrik ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 35, Issue 53 wayside shrine, message 3
Hi Message: 3 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:59:17 +0200 From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Potale Message-ID: cabptjtazcgjemq_41-s-tbtvwm-zfvxkskf3rusgse-a+tn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2012/8/28 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: religion: christian ok, but optional I think it would be quite useful to add this in general (it's more explicit, if it is not set you might have certain expectations about the religion according to the area you are in, e.g. in Italy it would very probably be christian/roman catholic) Otherwise you could put it in the monument category. -1, most of the ones I have seen are too small and unimportant to be monuments. cheers, Martin Ill go for Martins opinion. Most of the shrines will be roman catholic christian, the protestant christians dont worship outside the church that much and dont have saints in there believes. What about the moslim areas or Budhism, I never been there. The so called shrines could have some token int he past. And whats a chappel like wayside shrine ? Building - yes wayside - monument On the other hand there are growing numbers of points of rememberance monuments for lost friends or family alongside roads and mountain tracks. Wayside - monument, would be nutral name - St Mary or an individual religion - catholic or unknown (no tag) But whats the criterium for an object to be a monument, the size ? Like the WWI monuments or a simple cross in the woods for a single killed pilot ? Hendrik ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] monument vs memorial WAS: Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 35, Issue 53 wayside shrine, message 3
2012/8/29 St Niklaas st.nikl...@live.nl: But whats the criterium for an object to be a monument, the size ? Like the WWI monuments or a simple cross in the woods for a single killed pilot ? Yes, I'd say size matters. Similar kind of (commemorial) objects are either historic=memorial or historic=monument dependent on the size. cheers, Martin PS: Please modify the subject when replying to digest emails. It's easier to not use the digest at all ;-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
