[Tagging] Kids use a sled downhill

2013-01-20 Thread Erik Johansson
I've spent every winter since ~2008 wondering what you call a Pulka
hill in english, so basically a hill that kids use to go fast with a
sled. People have been using:
piste:type=sled

So a pulka is something like this:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rodeln_01.jpg

And a Pulka hill is something like this (and that's a big one)
http://www.bagisbloggen.se/2010/01/27/bagarmossens-basta-pulkabackar-del-2-laxabacken/


I've used leisure=pulkabacke, swedish for sled hill,  which I think is
better than piste:type=sled, but it's not very international.

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Re: [Tagging] business closed for renovation - tagging best practice

2013-01-20 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi Steve,

Am Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2013, 13:25:44 schrieb Steve Doerr:
 Would this fit the bill: 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/temporary ?

Probably this would fit the bill even better:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours
with
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Time_domains

Eckhart

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Re: [Tagging] Kids use a sled downhill

2013-01-20 Thread Richard Mann
No word for it in English (en-gb), to my knowledge. Locally we'd refer to
the slope by the bridge or going up to Rayleigh Park. As some of us
were doing yesterday :o)


On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've spent every winter since ~2008 wondering what you call a Pulka
 hill in english, so basically a hill that kids use to go fast with a
 sled. People have been using:
 piste:type=sled

 So a pulka is something like this:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rodeln_01.jpg

 And a Pulka hill is something like this (and that's a big one)

 http://www.bagisbloggen.se/2010/01/27/bagarmossens-basta-pulkabackar-del-2-laxabacken/


 I've used leisure=pulkabacke, swedish for sled hill,  which I think is
 better than piste:type=sled, but it's not very international.

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Re: [Tagging] Kids use a sled downhill

2013-01-20 Thread Paul Johnson
If so, finally, I have an appropriate tag for name=Southwest 90th Avenue
branching from Southwest Canyon Road in Portland.  I could be wrong, but
that street is literally useless except for local access except when
frozen, in which it becomes an EPIC RUN.


On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 4:01 AM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've spent every winter since ~2008 wondering what you call a Pulka
 hill in english, so basically a hill that kids use to go fast with a
 sled. People have been using:
 piste:type=sled

 So a pulka is something like this:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rodeln_01.jpg

 And a Pulka hill is something like this (and that's a big one)

 http://www.bagisbloggen.se/2010/01/27/bagarmossens-basta-pulkabackar-del-2-laxabacken/


 I've used leisure=pulkabacke, swedish for sled hill,  which I think is
 better than piste:type=sled, but it's not very international.

 --
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Re: [Tagging] Kids use a sled downhill

2013-01-20 Thread Paul Johnson
I find great pleasure in this, given I grew up on 90th Ave in Portland (in
part) yet, went to Raleigh Park Elemetary.  We still had the best sled run
in RP Elementary's school range.  :o)


On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Richard Mann 
richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote:

 No word for it in English (en-gb), to my knowledge. Locally we'd refer to
 the slope by the bridge or going up to Rayleigh Park. As some of us
 were doing yesterday :o)


 On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.comwrote:

 I've spent every winter since ~2008 wondering what you call a Pulka
 hill in english, so basically a hill that kids use to go fast with a
 sled. People have been using:
 piste:type=sled

 So a pulka is something like this:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rodeln_01.jpg

 And a Pulka hill is something like this (and that's a big one)

 http://www.bagisbloggen.se/2010/01/27/bagarmossens-basta-pulkabackar-del-2-laxabacken/


 I've used leisure=pulkabacke, swedish for sled hill,  which I think is
 better than piste:type=sled, but it's not very international.

 --
 /emj

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Re: [Tagging] Kids use a sled downhill

2013-01-20 Thread Janko Mihelić
I suggest piste:type=sled + piste:difficulty=novice

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ski

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Re: [Tagging] Kids use a sled downhill

2013-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer




Am 20/gen/2013 um 11:01 schrieb Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com:

 I've used leisure=pulkabacke, swedish for sled hill,  which I think is
 better than piste:type=sled, but it's not very international.


+1 that pulkabacke doesn't seem a fortunate choice. I'd go for the piste tags 
and maybe something not so really English (?) like leisure=sled_hill or 
sledding_hill

cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Kids use a sled downhill

2013-01-20 Thread Chris66
Am 20.01.2013 11:43, schrieb Janko Mihelić:
 I suggest piste:type=sled + piste:difficulty=novice
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ski

+1

There is also a openpistemap.org, but I think they display
only piste:type=ski.

Yesterday I've been sleding on way 201955994. ;-)

Chris



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Re: [Tagging] business closed for renovation - tagging best practice

2013-01-20 Thread Richard Welty

On 1/20/13 5:10 AM, Eckhart Wörner wrote:

Hi Steve,

Am Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2013, 13:25:44 schrieb Steve Doerr:

Would this fit the bill:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/temporary ?

Probably this would fit the bill even better:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours
with
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Time_domains


i agree, the date_on, date_off, etc stuff has been deprecated elsewhere
(see Access time and other conditional restrictions' on this page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access )

we simply need to extend the existing date format to include years
and adapt a version of conditionals from the access tag.

richard


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[Tagging] Follow-up on Time Domains

2013-01-20 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi everybody,

last year, I started an RFC to properly define time domains. Unfortunately, due 
to lack of time I wasn't able to follow-up on this. I would like to revive the 
discussion.

The latest version of the proposal is here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Time_domains

In the meantime, I had a look at the compatibility of existing opening_hours 
values wrt the time domains proposal:

http://eckhart-woerner.de/~eckhart/time/time.html

Green color: value is allowed by the time domain specification
Red color: value is not allowed by the time domain specification

Eckhart

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Re: [Tagging] Follow-up on Time Domains

2013-01-20 Thread Richard Welty

On 1/20/13 9:16 AM, Eckhart Wörner wrote:

Hi everybody,

last year, I started an RFC to properly define time domains. Unfortunately, due 
to lack of time I wasn't able to follow-up on this. I would like to revive the 
discussion.

The latest version of the proposal is here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Time_domains

In the meantime, I had a look at the compatibility of existing opening_hours 
values wrt the time domains proposal:

http://eckhart-woerner.de/~eckhart/time/time.html

Green color: value is allowed by the time domain specification
Red color: value is not allowed by the time domain specification


Generating results, this may take some time...

how long does this normally take?

richard


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Re: [Tagging] Follow-up on Time Domains

2013-01-20 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi Serge,

Am Sonntag, 20. Januar 2013, 10:00:11 schrieb Serge Wroclawski:
 The Microformats community seems to be going through a similar
 process: http://microformats.org/wiki/opening-hours
 
 The funny part is that they use our current spec as an example of
 opening hours done right.

I fail to see where your done right comes from. The OSM format is mentioned 
on the brainstorming page, that's all.

 Maybe you can go into more detail about where you think the current
 format is lacking, and why you think it needs this major overhaul.

The problem, as I have explained in the original RFC, is that the opening_hours 
page is *not* a specification. It is a collection of random examples that even 
contradict each other.
The result is that the number of implementations is quite low and that those 
implementations conflict.

Here are the goals of the RFC mail:
- has to be implementable
- reuses opening_hours syntax as much as reasonable
- is properly defined
- is reasonably complete
- is reasonably extensible

 And then you can perhaps go into an implementation or two of the new
 spec (as well as possibly a path for transition)?

There is no path for transition.
An implementation of the current version of the time domain spec is not that 
difficult (basically just evaluating from left to right).

Eckhart

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[Tagging] wiki building=hangar

2013-01-20 Thread didier2020
Greetings,

it's about http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building

in english wiki : Consider using aeroway=hangar. 

but the traduction of the wiki in french, italiano and deutch is for
storing goods

who is right ?
(note that hangar is a french word)

Yours,
didier



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Re: [Tagging] Follow-up on Time Domains

2013-01-20 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi Richard,

Am Sonntag, 20. Januar 2013, 09:46:37 schrieb Richard Welty:
 Generating results, this may take some time...
 
 how long does this normally take?

it downloads some data, then processes it using JavaScript.
Here is a static version: 
http://eckhart-woerner.de/~eckhart/time/time-static.html

Eckhart

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Re: [Tagging] wiki building=hangar

2013-01-20 Thread Philip Barnes
Aeroway is not intuitive, whilst I understand it I would not use it.

Building = hangar makes more sense to me. A hanger is a building for storing 
aircraft but many are in use long after the airfield has gone. Their shape 
makes them identifiable as hangars. Maybe a historic tag should be in there 
somewhere.

Phil
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On 20/01/2013 15:58 didier2020 wrote:

Greetings,


it's about http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building


in english wiki : Consider using aeroway=hangar. 


but the traduction of the wiki in french, italiano and deutch is for
storing goods


who is right ?
(note that hangar is a french word)


Yours,
didier



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Re: [Tagging] wiki building=hangar

2013-01-20 Thread fly
On 20/01/13 17:16, Philip Barnes wrote:
 Aeroway is not intuitive, whilst I understand it I would not use it.
 
 
 Building = hangar makes more sense to me. A hanger is a building for storing
 aircraft but many are in use long after the airfield has gone. Their shape 
 makes
 them identifiable as hangars. Maybe a historic tag should be in there 
 somewhere. 

There is nothing wrong about using both tags if used for aircrafts and delete
the aeroway if the use changes.

cheers
fly

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[Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-20 Thread François Lacombe
Hi.

By reading all the pages on that topic, I didn't manage to find out if the
tag http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dstation is still used or
not.
Moreover, I've got a 500 error page on taginfo so I can't check if there
are objects described with it currently.

May someone answers that question in order to eventually deprecate it and
move reusable wiki stuff from power=station to power=sub_station?

In my opinion, I of course hope it will be deprecated shortly as for
simplify a bit this side of my mapping activity :)


Regards  good night.

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francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu
http://www.infos-reseaux.com
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