Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (man_made=silo)
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.comwrote: My understanding is that tags in general use don't need a vote. Assuming that's correct, I've updated the man_made=silo page with info from the proposal. (Although from taginfo, few existing silos have additional tags) The problem with not voting, is details don't get discussed, and unilateral things start happening to the wiki, even on a feature with 20,000 instances. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made
What to do regarding what ? To choose between power_tower or power_pole ? For a huge power tower it should be man_made=power_tower. IEC says it's not a voltage matter. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/8/19 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com Is there a simple summary, so a hiker who sees a huge power tower, but does not know volts and cable details, knows what to do? On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:06 AM, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: Hi, Power transmission refinement proposal have been updated with new values for man_made=*. No deprecation for power=* values. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_transmission_refinement More info on Talk. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Power_transmission_refinement#Power_vs_man_made_for_towers_and_poles I hope this alternative will receive more positive opinion than before. Have a nice day. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] road side
connecting the driveways to the road, which they don't The driveways do connect to the road, even up to the center line, just as much as normal roads connect through each other in every intersection. All roads and paths are both: a surface, and a connection. It's an inherent consequence of the osm data model, where roads are represented as ways. There are necessarily areas that fall within the width of several different ways. Even in practice, you couldn't park right in front of the part of driveway on the private property, as you would be said to be blocking the driveway (regardless of whether parking is allowed anywhere within that example area). The connection that must not be blocked, exists from the plot boundary to the road lanes. -- alv ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (man_made=silo)
Sorry I wasn't clear, Pieren, I meant man_made=silo is in general use (20K uses). I'm not sure what you mean about silo=*. Cheers, Brad On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: My understanding is that tags in general use don't need a vote. I see one use of silo=* in taginfo which is not something I would call general use... The tags name=name of the facility and operator shouldn't go on the silos themselves but on the polygon surrounding the whole facility. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (man_made=silo)
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: No, the name of the facility and operator shouldn't go on the silo but on the polygon or node identifying the facility. Exactly: this is where the voting process is useful, hashing issues out like this rather than just making unilateral edits. There are plenty of standalone silos where the facility and the silo are one and the same. Insisting on a facility polygon to the fence lines is not done for buildings, water towers, post offices, radar stations or other features. Thus I'm not sure why silo would be treated differently. Thus this seems like a valid tagging discussion that should happen at a different level, no? Sorry, we left the ML by accident. I guess the difference is that a silo is a subpart of a more prominent feature (facility, farm, plant, quarry, etc). Compared to your post office example, it's like saying the near postbox or telephon should have the name of the post office because the post office is not mapped at the moment. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (man_made=silo)
I'm mostly saying that since there is a proposal process, it is better to discuss this as a proposal, rather than jump straight to publishing. -- Is man_made=silo any different in this respect from other features? Current practice does not insist that areas be drawn around prominent named buildings, communication towers, or bridges, even though those facilities exist on a larger parcel of land. If all I can see is there's a large silo with a name on it, that's what I can confidently map. In the American west silos are often the most prominent landmark, and they are often known by name. Of course anyone is welcome to come along and map in more detail, locating the facility fence lines, finding the website... and then tagging the whole facility makes more sense. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (amenity=ranger_station) - Vote Early Vote Often
I have marked for voting: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dranger_station Alert: that the proposal includes semi-mechanically re-tagging, particularly of the imported USA National Park Service data. Consensus discussion seemed to be: # A Ranger Station is sufficiently distinct to merit a tag. # The tag police_station does not correctly describe a Ranger Station. # While tag amenity is overcrowded, ranger_station belongs in the same tag space as fire_station, poilce_station, etc. While the number of ranger_station tags is and will be low: this would be a good one to get rendered relatively quickly, in support of the NPS open source mapping at the very least. However, attracting the interest of rendering maintainers has not proven easy in the past... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (amenity=ranger_station) - Vote Early Vote Often
On Tue, August 20, 2013 11:41 am, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I have marked for voting: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dranger_station Alert: that the proposal includes semi-mechanically re-tagging, particularly of the imported USA National Park Service data. Consensus discussion seemed to be: # A Ranger Station is sufficiently distinct to merit a tag. # The tag police_station does not correctly describe a Ranger Station. # While tag amenity is overcrowded, ranger_station belongs in the same tag space as fire_station, poilce_station, etc. While the number of ranger_station tags is and will be low: this would be a good one to get rendered relatively quickly, in support of the NPS open source mapping at the very least. However, attracting the interest of rendering maintainers has not proven easy in the past... I've noted my approval by using this tagging on some USFS ranger stations. :) However I thought I'd formally vote but I don't see a voting area on that Wiki page and I've not voted before so I'm a bit unsure how that is supposed to work. Should there be a voting section at the bottom of the page? Seems like some other proposed pages have that. . . Once that is added, is the procedure any more involved that just editing the Wiki page to add a line indicating one's opinion? -Tod ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (amenity=ranger_station) - Vote Early Vote Often
Am 20.08.2013 23:16, schrieb Tod Fitch: Should there be a voting section at the bottom of the page? Seems like some other proposed pages have that. . . Yes. Once that is added, is the procedure any more involved that just editing the Wiki page to add a line indicating one's opinion? No Cheers fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
