Re: [Tagging] shop values for _supply, _supplies, _supplement, _supplements?
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 07:29:32PM +0200, Ferenc Veres wrote: Hi all, English is not my native language, so I don't know if plural or singular is correct for this, or which wording would work best grammatically while also fit in OSM tagging scheme, that recommends plural. medical_supply medical_supplies pet_supply pet_supplies nutrition_supplements nutrition_supplement As a native UK-English speaker, the plurals above are normal. ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] shop values for _supply, _supplies, _supplement, _supplements?
American English is inconsistent; sometimes the singular form is used, sometimes the plural, depending upon dialect and context. ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 07:29:32PM +0200, Ferenc Veres wrote: Hi all, English is not my native language, so I don't know if plural or singular is correct for this, or which wording would work best grammatically while also fit in OSM tagging scheme, that recommends plural. medical_supply medical_supplies pet_supply pet_supplies nutrition_supplements nutrition_supplement As a native UK-English speaker, the plurals above are normal. ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] shop values for _supply, _supplies, _supplement, _supplements?
Il giorno 23/ago/2013, alle ore 15:35, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com ha scritto: American English is inconsistent; sometimes the singular form is used, sometimes the plural, depending upon dialect and context. apart from natural language usage there used to be a clear indication in osm to always use the singular form for shops for the avoidance of complexity cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Consolidating tags for building attributes
Hi all, The OpenDRI project has been doing some work in Nepal and Sri Lanka to trace building footprints and to enter attribute data about the buildings. We are looking to get feedback from the tagging and HOT mailing list on the building presets that we are using and we would like to consolidate them with the HDM preset [1] and with the rest of the work done by HOT (e.g. in Indonesia [2]) to make sure it is consistent to use it with InaSafe [3] or for 3D Modeling [4] or any other applications. The presets developed by OpenDRI so far are Nepal [5] and Sri Lanka [6]. The Nepal presets already received a couple comments from the tagging list that were applied. 1. We have been using 3D building guidelines (although they have a few contradictory elements), taginfo statistics and looked at a lot of tagging guidelines on the OSM wiki to create the keys and values but we didn't really find one general guideline for creating new tags so we would welcome any feedback on the presets [5] and [6]. 2. There are a couple discrepancies: Case A: For the roof material, these keys have been used about the same number of times: In wiki guidelines: roof:material= or In HDM or Indonesia: building:roof= It seems like the first option would be better? because it allows to differentiate with roof:shape ? Case B: For wall material (different from building structure) In Indonesia: building:walls= or In HDM presets: building:material= building:material is more widely used or do the two tags are meant to be different? Case C: For building usage, building= building:use= I am not sure what is the best between these two or do they have different goal/usage? building= seem to be a mix of usage, amenity type, structure type. Case D: capacity:persons= occupants= I suppose they represents two different things: full capacity of a building vs actual occupancy ? Some other tags that could be added to the HDM: building:structure roof:shape shape:plan shape:elevation If there is some kind of agreement I can create a pull request on the HDM presets and add some of the new tags we are using too. The detailed information about the new tags used in the presets will also be added to pages on the wiki. Cheers, Vivien [1] * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/HDM_preset#Building_digitizing * [2] *https://github.com/hotosm/hot-indo/blob/master/bpbd_presets.xml* [3] *http://inasafe.org/contents.html* [4] *http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_3D_buildings* [5] *http://visualtags.hotosm.org/collection/10* (2 notes: the source tag will be removed from the presets and put on the changesets, building:start_date = start_date) [6] *https://www.dropbox.com/s/50blzkwmvxmbbw6/sri_lanka_presets.xml* ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging of topographic areas with a name
On 08/19/2013 11:51 PM, Masi Master wrote: This is a bit away from the new valley mountain discus, but has a connection to the first mail. Tagging should be thought-out with possible examples, if we don't want to change the tagging or live with a bad tagging. Another example I had just yesterday was a lake called Seebergsee in the alps. The lake itself is comprised of a very small persistent lake which is well delimited, and a marsh which is filled with water during 1/3 of the year as the snow melts. Independently of the tagging (which is well delimited in this case), the name refers to the lake _and_ the marsh. Maybe there's some waterway relation magic for this specific case, but I'd rather use some consistent topological naming of areas also for these cases. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Consolidating tags for building attributes
Hello Vivien, I develop a 3D renderer working with OSM data, so I will look at your questions based on that background. Case A: roof:material vs. building:roof The preferred key from 3D rendering documentation is roof:material because, as you guessed, it clearly differentiates this attribute from roof:shape. Based on just the wording of the key, building:roof could be either - so you would have to look it up. Case B: building:walls vs. building:material I'm not sure what building:walls means exactly, I'm not using that tag for rendering so far. But I can clarify the intention with building:material: It's supposed to represent the outer material as seen while mapping on-the-ground. Therefore, plaster is a valid value for building:material because that's the outermost layer, even though the entire wall is not made from plaster. If building:walls has the same meaning, then I prefer building:material for the same reason as in Case A. Case C: building vs. building:use I have to agree with you here, the values used for the building key are quite chaotic. But from the original intention as I remember it, I do not think that the two things have the same meaning. For example, a commonly cited example is that a church building which is no longer used as a church and is now a museum (but still looks like a typical church) would be tagged building=church + amenity=museum. Personally, I only use a few hand-picked values from the building key that have a rather clear meaning. As for Case D and the other suggested keys, these are new or seem unrelated to 3D rendering. However, I'm not sure about the exact meaning of your suggested shape:elevation? Tobias On 23.08.2013 18:22, Vivien Deparday wrote: Hi all, The OpenDRI project has been doing some work in Nepal and Sri Lanka to trace building footprints and to enter attribute data about the buildings. We are looking to get feedback from the tagging and HOT mailing list on the building presets that we are using and we would like to consolidate them with the HDM preset [1] and with the rest of the work done by HOT (e.g. in Indonesia [2]) to make sure it is consistent to use it with InaSafe [3] or for 3D Modeling [4] or any other applications. The presets developed by OpenDRI so far are Nepal [5] and Sri Lanka [6]. The Nepal presets already received a couple comments from the tagging list that were applied. 1. We have been using 3D building guidelines (although they have a few contradictory elements), taginfo statistics and looked at a lot of tagging guidelines on the OSM wiki to create the keys and values but we didn't really find one general guideline for creating new tags so we would welcome any feedback on the presets [5] and [6]. 2. There are a couple discrepancies: Case A: For the roof material, these keys have been used about the same number of times: In wiki gbothuidelines: roof:material= or In HDM or Indonesia: building:roof= It seems like the first option would be better? because it allows to differentiate with roof:shape ? Case B: For wall material (different from building structure) In Indonesia: building:walls= or In HDM presets: building:material= building:material is more widely used or do the two tags are meant to be different? Case C: For building usage, building= building:use= I am not sure what is the best between these two or do they have different goal/usage? building= seem to be a mix of usage, amenity type, structure type. Case D: capacity:persons= occupants= I suppose they represents two different things: full capacity of a building vs actual occupancy ? Some other tags that could be added to the HDM: building:structure roof:shape shape:plan shape:elevation If there is some kind of agreement I can create a pull request on the HDM presets and add some of the new tags we are using too. The detailed information about the new tags used in the presets will also be added to pages on the wiki. Cheers, Vivien [1] _http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/HDM_preset#Building_digitizing_ [2] _https://github.com/hotosm/hot-indo/blob/master/bpbd_presets.xml_ [3] _http://inasafe.org/contents.html_ [4] _http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_3D_buildings_ [5] _http://visualtags.hotosm.org/collection/10_ (2 notes: the source tag will be removed from the presets and put on the changesets, building:start_date = start_date) [6] _https://www.dropbox.com/s/50blzkwmvxmbbw6/sri_lanka_presets.xml_ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] road side
On 2013-08-22 14:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : Il giorno 22/ago/2013, alle ore 14:34, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com ha scritto: this area is definitely mainly *suitable* for cars to use, and used as such, much as you would think of a rest area. There is no kerb, just a caniveau (gutter) for easy crossing over, there is a postbox used by passing-by cars, there is a car sharing stop (not yet on the photos, like a bus stop), cars and vans, even machinery, frequently stop for various reasons (including looking at an OSM map ;-)). what about http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area Yes, positive Martin, thank you, but not quite. The best idea is in fact below it: highway=layby, if I understand it correctly as a place where you can *safely* get off the road to stop for whatever reason. But this extremely good idea has apparently been shot dead by a noer. There's a problem in wanting to make precise categories for everything. If a tagger doesn't find one, he won't tag. However, laybies where one can stop are important to know, instead of stopping in an unsafe place when a safe one exists 100 m further round the bend. And there are many ones worth the name rest_area much less than this one. Cheers, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
