Re: [Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com wrote: The advantage of a proposal and discussion is that it improves documentation. +1 and that's already good enough no ? Although I did not myself check this proposal, the feedbacks seem to express a good idea but a lack of explanation. This is enough to improve the documentation. Otherwise you will see in the future that many people are improperly using this tag, as we have seen in the past in many examples. What's the interest to post a proposal, use it on its own, be happy but is finally so badly spread in the database by others that no data consumer is able to use it ? 2. For some reason it seems that the ones that make the proposal can not vote. This is a barrier to team up with others because you then loose votes. If the proposal is good enough, you don't need you own vote. It can happen that sometimes the amount of votes is very low but this is simply because the subject is not interresting the mass. 3. Only if you have a wiki account you can vote. I don't remember if I had to create a special account for the wiki. It should be automagically inheritated from the OSM account but they are probably some technical reasons preventing this. Any way, I see the wiki write access as important as the OSM db access. 4. You can vote no without having given any objections to the proposal before voting. Probably some 'no' are not objecting because the reason has already been writen. They are also 'no' voters because they didn't read carefully the proposal but didn't like a detail like one picture, colour or typos. They are also 'yes' voters that don't check carefully what is proposed, saying 'yes' to everything new. 6. There are more then 1 million mappers and only a few vote (24 in this case). Better say : there are 1 million subscribers and only a few mappers and even less regular mappers. And only a fraction of them is improving the wiki. We can never be enough thankful with such unrewarding work. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway
2013/12/15 Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com 1. There are no absolute rules as to when it is approved/rejected (and I can understand that) there are for voting: we require at least 15 votes and a majority of yes votes. Of course a won voting doesn't make your tag approved or used by the community. 2. For some reason it seems that the ones that make the proposal can not vote. This is a barrier to team up with others because you then loose votes. where do you get this from? First time I hear this. 3. Only if you have a wiki account you can vote. yes, but they are cheap and fast to get. 4. You can vote no without having given any objections to the proposal before voting. yes, but where is the problem? Of course it is desirable to participate as early as possible in the process, but in the end we all have also other things to do, so sometimes you only get to read the details of a certain proposal when it is already in the voting phase. 5. You can always vote no just for an irrelevant reason. (and that is subjective, I know) yes, but you shouldn't ;-) 6. There are more then 1 million mappers and only a few vote (24 in this case). as Pieren stated, there are less then 1M mappers, currently IIRR something like 300.000 (with at least 1 edit), but most of them aren't very involved and have only done few edits (less than 10). You won't want those people with typically few dedication to and few experience with OSM to vote on tags (IMHO). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway
1. There are no absolute rules as to when it is approved/rejected (and I can understand that) there are for voting: we require at least 15 votes and a majority of yes votes. Of course a won voting doesn't make your tag approved or used by the community. 2. For some reason it seems that the ones that make the proposal can not vote. This is a barrier to team up with others because you then loose votes. where do you get this from? First time I hear this. Don't know exacly where I heard that but as Pieren said if the proposal is good enough you don't need the votes of the authors. What a shame because then it would have been a majority (by 1 vote and not counting the abstains) but still not approved ;-) Anyway : We'll work on a better proposal but it may take some time. Patience is a vitrue ;-) Cheers PeeWee32 2013/12/15 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2013/12/15 Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com 1. There are no absolute rules as to when it is approved/rejected (and I can understand that) there are for voting: we require at least 15 votes and a majority of yes votes. Of course a won voting doesn't make your tag approved or used by the community. 2. For some reason it seems that the ones that make the proposal can not vote. This is a barrier to team up with others because you then loose votes. where do you get this from? First time I hear this. 3. Only if you have a wiki account you can vote. yes, but they are cheap and fast to get. 4. You can vote no without having given any objections to the proposal before voting. yes, but where is the problem? Of course it is desirable to participate as early as possible in the process, but in the end we all have also other things to do, so sometimes you only get to read the details of a certain proposal when it is already in the voting phase. 5. You can always vote no just for an irrelevant reason. (and that is subjective, I know) yes, but you shouldn't ;-) 6. There are more then 1 million mappers and only a few vote (24 in this case). as Pieren stated, there are less then 1M mappers, currently IIRR something like 300.000 (with at least 1 edit), but most of them aren't very involved and have only done few edits (less than 10). You won't want those people with typically few dedication to and few experience with OSM to vote on tags (IMHO). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Verbeter de wereld. Word mapper voor openstreetmaphttp://www.openstreetmap.nl/. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Topographic place names
It is usable only for maps generated for area similar to the one pictured, therefore it should be added at stage of processing data, not to the OSM database. It suffers from the same problem as lets place a single node. On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 08:16:39 -0800 Tobias Knerr lt;o...@tobias-knerr.degt; wrote On 12.12.2013 21:52, Steve Bennett wrote: gt; It'd be a way, not a node. And maybe there are strong guidelines gt; somewhere for defining its exact location? You could also use an area and construct a word shape as illustrated in this featured image: http://wiki.osm.org/File:Maxbe-stubaier-beschriftung_en.png Here's the map as a whole: http://geo.dianacht.de/topo/?zoom=10amp;lat=46.947amp;lon=11.09077 I can't tell how well it would work (and whether the current tagging of those mountain range areas is the best choice) but the resulting map looks nice. Tobias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
