Re: [Tagging] Tagging Religious Places that belongs to multiple Religion

2014-01-13 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: Just use the semi-colon to separate the values: religion=religion1;religion2;;religionX This is the short answer. But we have seen in the past that semi-colon, aggregated values are finally almost never used. And

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Religious Places that belongs to multiple Religion

2014-01-13 Thread Zecke
Semicolons are the perfect measure to denote a feature that has more than one value. It is important to use it, even if renderers are reluctant to implement it. The more it is used, the higher the pressure to them to implement it. Zecke Am 13.01.2014 10:28, schrieb Pieren: On Mon, Jan 13,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-13 Thread BGNO BGNO
I don't think it is in general possible to derive the trafficability information from physical models. In cases like flooded it is possible because the model is very simple and the information needed (trafficability) can be obtained in a very simple way. The variability of possible interpretations

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-13 Thread Ronnie Soak
In contrast, if the information that the road can be passed by off road vehicles is given by local people then it is probably very reliable. It is not interpretation, it is experience. If these local people are somewhat responsible, their answer could only be: It depends. As mentioned

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-13 Thread BGNO BGNO
2014/1/13 Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com: In contrast, if the information that the road can be passed by off road vehicles is given by local people then it is probably very reliable. It is not interpretation, it is experience. If these local people are somewhat responsible,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-13 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 1:47 PM, BGNO BGNO bgno2...@gmail.com wrote: The information which people gave me about the mentioned 20km long road was: Yes you can use the road with a regular car if it doesn't rain. I think it is practicable to tag that information into OSM. How would you tag that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-13 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
Anectotal evidence: while driving around Iceland in a Suzuki Jimny (technically a 4x4), I would never try to tag that half hour of prose into an OSM key. Would it not benefit the next driver to know somebody in a (stock) Jimny got through - or didn't? Even for those driving something else. The

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki: move psv to by use

2014-01-13 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
I propose to move psv (including taxi and bus) from the vehicle classes section to the section by use, because that's what it is. I agree. (Usage, that relies on the current hierarchy should be limited to non-existent) Country differences again. Around here (Finland) all signs(* refer to just

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki: move psv to by use

2014-01-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/13 Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi Country differences again. Around here (Finland) all signs(* refer to just vehicles registered as a bus, even those that allow buses and taxis on their own lanes. Effectively nobody would try to use a personal bus anyway, because the extra

Re: [Tagging] Winter sports share the same way

2014-01-13 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: In the areas I cross country ski at in the California mountains many trails are used by both nordic skiers and snowshoers. Since I am ski centric I've tended to tag them as piste:type=nordic. Could one simply tag them as

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki: move psv to by use

2014-01-13 Thread martinq
Hi, I propose to move psv (including taxi and bus) from the vehicle classes section to the section by use, because that's what it is. maybe that is what it should have been in the past. Sadly the actual use in real world tagging seems to interpret bus also as vehicle

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki: move psv to by use

2014-01-13 Thread martinq
Hi, sorry, made a mistake: 2) If other restrictions (maxweight or - more precisely - maxgcweight, maxgcweightrating or maxactualweight) are made conditional, we need an update of our conditional tagging, for example by introducing use: Of course this is already possible in conditional

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki: move psv to by use

2014-01-13 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/13/14 1:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: psv reads public service vehicle, clearly a use type. e.g. busses is correct as is i.e. busses and taxis (but the latter might forget some other kind of psv). Still this clearly doesn't include any buses (vehicle class, usually vehicles with more

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki: move psv to by use

2014-01-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/13 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net we may need to spend some time on this. the turn restriction plugin for josm uses psv, but seemingly with the implication of emergency/service vehicles (not including buses and taxis) for things like u-turns on motorways. i think we need some

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki: move psv to by use

2014-01-13 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/13/14 2:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014/1/13 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net we may need to spend some time on this. the turn restriction plugin for josm uses psv, but seemingly with the implication of emergency/service vehicles (not including buses and taxis) for things

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Religious Places that belongs to multiple Religion

2014-01-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/13 Zecke z...@saeuferleber.de Semicolons are the perfect measure to denote a feature that has more than one value. It is important to use it, even if renderers are reluctant to implement it. The more it is used, the higher the pressure to them to implement it. perfect? You will

Re: [Tagging] Winter sports share the same way

2014-01-13 Thread yvecai
Bryce, There is already a documented scheme for snowshoeing: piste:type=hike + piste:grooming=backcountry (250 use) With piste:type=hike + piste:grooming=classic being for 'winter hiking' (111 use). Yves On 01/13/2014 08:02 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Tod Fitch

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Religious Places that belongs to multiple Religion

2014-01-13 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 13 January 2014 07:16, Nirab Pudasaini developer.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Pashupatinath is a major place of worship for Hindus. It is also a place of worship for Buddhists. The tag amenity:place_of_worship has a key religion:* but how can we add place of worship which are for multiple

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki: move psv to by use

2014-01-13 Thread martinq
Obvious issue: 200,000 uses of bus... OK, probably most of them are associated with public_transport (e.g. bus stops). So the number of bus related access-restrictions is probably much lower. martinq ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki: move psv to by use

2014-01-13 Thread martinq
I started mapping in Jan 2008. By that time it was already clear that psv was taxis and buses. If we start questioning every consensus (even those documented on central pages of the wiki like the access-page) we can stop mapping now ;-) I have interpreted psv (public service VEHICLE), bus and

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Religious Places that belongs to multiple Religion

2014-01-13 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-01-13 10:50, Zecke wrote : Am 13.01.2014 10:28, schrieb Pieren: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: Just use the semi-colon to separate the values: religion=religion1;religion2;;religionX This is the short answer. But we have seen in the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Religious Places that belongs to multiple Religion

2014-01-13 Thread Zecke
Am 13.01.2014 23:18, schrieb André Pirard: I also would feel like accepting the semicolon, but after thinking twice I notice that religion=religion1;religion2;;religion denomination=denomination1;denomination2 would become even more problematic already. Why? Of course, you must include

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trafficability

2014-01-13 Thread David Bannon
BGNO, you have been following the Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions thread started by Fernando on this same list haven't you ? I have created a summary page on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Davo We hope to reach a consensus on what seems pretty close to what