Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:08 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: What, in tagging a way, indicates on which end of it is the dead end? (I asked that already). omg, all ends (last node) not connected to another highway are surely dead ends when the tag is present :-)) (and the tag is confirming that we are not a mapping to be continued case) What does happen when the way is split or unsplit? Well, if the tag is present when both ends are connected (e.g. after a split), then it's a bit strange but it's not harmful. Routers ignore this tag anyway. And QA tools are only checking the case where the last node is not connected (and nearby another highway). Will a normal contributor understand what he's dealing with if he sees noexit on what he splits? I think most of the contributors should not care about this tag. Only people using QA tools supporting the tag for false positive would really use it (like OSMI, routing view). But if the average contributor use it in their cul-de-sac, why not. He's just informing next contributors that it's not an incompleted highway but really a cul-de-sac. In fact, is it the way or is it the highway? Just a segment or more and up to where? It's all about highway ways. (If it's connected to a building way, you could add a building=entrance on the connection node I guess) Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
Currently, there are 41,000 things tagged access=designated (1). I can understand what =designated means for a specifc transport type (foot, bicycle, etc.) but not access. The wiki (2) also doesn't know. What do we think that someone means when they tag something as access=designated? Cheers, Andy (1) http://taginfo.osm.org/tags/access=designated#overview (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
I always assumed it was for street where traffic is allowed for residents or delivery, but not for traffic passing through. Never read this wiki page, though. On 11 avril 2014 18:28:28 UTC+02:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Currently, there are 41,000 things tagged access=designated (1). I can understand what =designated means for a specifc transport type (foot, bicycle, etc.) but not access. The wiki (2) also doesn't know. What do we think that someone means when they tag something as access=designated? Cheers, Andy (1) http://taginfo.osm.org/tags/access=designated#overview (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Envoyé de mon téléphone Android avec K-9 Mail. Excusez la brièveté.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:28 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: What do we think that someone means when they tag something as access=designated? iD allows to easily add only a general access=designated (while JOSM not), for example. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Yves yve...@gmail.com wrote: I always assumed it was for street where traffic is allowed for residents or delivery, but not for traffic passing through. This one is destination and not designated :-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
Potlatch also allows a general access=designated The tip/help message is Permitted, according to signs or specific local laws for designated. From what I see the problem are the editors that are allowing this. People are using acess=designtated with the same meaning as access=yes (ie, it's allowed to use the highway) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 17:28 +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: Currently, there are 41,000 things tagged access=designated (1). I can understand what =designated means for a specifc transport type (foot, bicycle, etc.) but not access. The wiki (2) also doesn't know. What do we think that someone means when they tag something as access=designated? I have always understood it to mean access to certain vehicles/people. The it will be what is shown on a signpost, in fact I was expecting the road after Fairholmes to be motor_vehicle=designated as blue badge holders can use it. Phil (trigpoint) Cheers, Andy (1) http://taginfo.osm.org/tags/access=designated#overview (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
On 11 April 2014 17:28, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Currently, there are 41,000 things tagged access=designated (1). I can understand what =designated means for a specifc transport type (foot, bicycle, etc.) but not access. The wiki (2) also doesn't know. The wiki does know: | access=designated is not defining what is designated and is | meaningless. All access=designated tags should be removed. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
On Apr 11, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 17:28 +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: Currently, there are 41,000 things tagged access=designated (1). I can understand what =designated means for a specifc transport type (foot, bicycle, etc.) but not access. The wiki (2) also doesn't know. What do we think that someone means when they tag something as access=designated? I have always understood it to mean access to certain vehicles/people. The it will be what is shown on a signpost, in fact I was expecting the road after Fairholmes to be motor_vehicle=designated as blue badge holders can use it. Phil (trigpoint) Cheers, Andy (1) http://taginfo.osm.org/tags/access=designated#overview (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated This is how I understood and have used it. -Tod smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated This is how I understood and have used it. This is what the wiki says: Note that access=designated is not defining what is designated and is meaningless. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
Yes, you're right. I did use this, maybe one or two mistakes, only :) On 04/11/2014 06:40 PM, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Yves yve...@gmail.com wrote: I always assumed it was for street where traffic is allowed for residents or delivery, but not for traffic passing through. This one is destination and not designated :-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging . ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
+1 http://bigfatfrog67.me On 11/04/2014 18:07, Tod Fitch wrote: On Apr 11, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 17:28 +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: Currently, there are 41,000 things tagged access=designated (1). I can understand what =designated means for a specifc transport type (foot, bicycle, etc.) but not access. The wiki (2) also doesn't know. What do we think that someone means when they tag something as access=designated? I have always understood it to mean access to certain vehicles/people. The it will be what is shown on a signpost, in fact I was expecting the road after Fairholmes to be motor_vehicle=designated as blue badge holders can use it. Phil (trigpoint) Cheers, Andy (1) http://taginfo.osm.org/tags/access=designated#overview (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated This is how I understood and have used it. -Tod ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
2014-04-11 18:20 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated This is how I understood and have used it. This is what the wiki says: Note that access=designated is not defining what is designated and is meaningless. Please, before quoting the wiki in a tagging discussion, check if your choice quote was added two hours ago as a direct result of this tagging discussion! Quoting that particular sentence from the wiki is almost exactly equivalent to quoting an email message in this thread. Dan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
Le 11/04/2014 19:38, Dan S a écrit : 2014-04-11 18:20 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated This is how I understood and have used it. This is what the wiki says: Note that access=designated is not defining what is designated and is meaningless. Please, before quoting the wiki in a tagging discussion, check if your choice quote was added two hours ago as a direct result of this tagging discussion! Quoting that particular sentence from the wiki is almost exactly equivalent to quoting an email message in this thread. Dan It seems that January 24th 15h40 is a little older than 2 hours. And quotting this sentence in the wiki is not exaclty quotting this thread. -- FrViPofm ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)
Am 11/apr/2014 um 17:14 schrieb Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com: This thread is unbelievable. +1. ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?
2014-04-11 19:14 GMT+01:00 Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com: Le 11/04/2014 19:38, Dan S a écrit : 2014-04-11 18:20 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: (2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aaccess%3Ddesignated This is how I understood and have used it. This is what the wiki says: Note that access=designated is not defining what is designated and is meaningless. Please, before quoting the wiki in a tagging discussion, check if your choice quote was added two hours ago as a direct result of this tagging discussion! Quoting that particular sentence from the wiki is almost exactly equivalent to quoting an email message in this thread. Dan It seems that January 24th 15h40 is a little older than 2 hours. And quotting this sentence in the wiki is not exaclty quotting this thread. Oh my apologies! I clearly misread the date. Sorry for adding confusion to the confusion! Dan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
