Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi, Am 13.04.2014 21:35, schrieb Steve Doerr: > I'm surprised that so many people are jumping to this conclusion. Let's > remember that a way is just a series of nodes in a particular order. So > a node is not necessarily an isolated object. Agree > In many cases, it exists solely as part of a wa

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - drinking_water

2014-04-13 Thread Dave Swarthout
Yes, but I don't see a voting link - where do I vote? On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Rudolf Martin wrote: > Ready to vote? > > Other than former discussions about "drinking water" there are not > many comments to this proposal. > > Should I start a voting or cancel the proposal due to lacking

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 13/apr/2014 um 21:35 schrieb Steve Doerr : > > Thus the concept of direction is not meaningless for a node which is part of > a way. I haven't examined any uses of the tag on a node, but I can imagine, > for instance, that a node in a way with a direction attribute might be used > to rep

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 13/apr/2014 um 16:45 schrieb fly : > > If we proper define the direction, there is not problem with direction=* > on nodes. E.g. directions for benches are taken from a sitting position > and in general the wiki talks about "facing the direction" which in my > understanding would be the opp

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - drinking_water

2014-04-13 Thread Rudolf Martin
Ready to vote? Other than former discussions about "drinking water" there are not many comments to this proposal. Should I start a voting or cancel the proposal due to lacking interest? A voting, without voters is not desirable. What do you think? Rudolf Am 02.04.2014 22:18:07 schrieb(en)

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-13 Thread Mike N
On 4/13/2014 4:21 PM, Pieren wrote: It's just a long and onerous discussion to find dubious arguments against this tag on ways. It's really an argument against needless clutter in the Wiki. Why not add noexit to a relation to show some condition? To trees to show that once entered, there'

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-13 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:45 PM, John Packer wrote: > I think you missed André's point. > If a way has two dead-ends: one of which is an actual dead-end, and another > which is a connectivity error... then the connectivity error is missed > because noexit=yes was used. > Fortunately this doesn't

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-13 Thread John Packer
> > What, in tagging a way, indicates on which end of it is the dead end? >> I asked that already). >> > > The question does not make sense. Of course the end that is not > connected to another highway is the dead-end. If the way should not be > connected to anything on either side it will already

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread Steve Doerr
I'm surprised that so many people are jumping to this conclusion. Let's remember that a way is just a series of nodes in a particular order. So a node is not necessarily an isolated object. In many cases, it exists solely as part of a way. Thus the concept of direction is not meaningless for a

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10.04.2014 18:08, André Pirard wrote: > In other words, 40% tags (on ways) can't be wrong. But the problem is > that 99.+% of these correct tags are mistakes and shouldn't even exist > because they do not represent "ways ending near another way", which are > the targets of noexit=yes, but

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread fly
Am 13.04.2014 16:25, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > >> Am 12/apr/2014 um 19:43 schrieb "John F. Eldredge" : >> >> Since a node is a point, and has no dimensions, a direction tag is >> meaningless. > > > +1 Martin, throught you wrote something different about benches last week on talk@osm I

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 12/apr/2014 um 19:43 schrieb "John F. Eldredge" : > > Since a node is a point, and has no dimensions, a direction tag is > meaningless. +1 cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listin

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 13/apr/2014 um 14:11 schrieb jonathan : > > But how can a tag that tells you to follow official designation signs be > meaningless unless what you mean is that such a definition is implicit on all > ways? "access=designated" is not defined, designated is to be used on the specific keys

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-13 Thread fly
Am 12.04.2014 20:52, schrieb Nelson A. de Oliveira: > So the wiki will stay allowing and saying to use noexit on ways too, > even if the majority agree that it shouldn't be like this? The german page will exclude ways and all other communities can discuss this issue on continential/national/region

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread fly
I have no problems using forward/backward on way but on nodes this does not make sense and in my opinion we need to discourage the usage in favour of cardinal coordinates either as number or as letters (West, South southeast, NWW, S and so on). fly Am 12.04.2014 20:39, schrieb John Packer: > I ha

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-13 Thread jonathan
But how can a tag that tells you to follow official designation signs be meaningless unless what you mean is that such a definition is implicit on all ways? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 13/04/2014 12:29, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 11/apr/2014 um 19:02 schrieb Matthijs Melissen :

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 11/apr/2014 um 19:02 schrieb Matthijs Melissen : > > All access=designated tags should be removed. +1, also agree that editors should not suggest meaningless tags cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.o

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread ael
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 11:57:12PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > > > Have to disagree here. There are plenty of real uses for reversing a > way, and not everyone uses JOSM. > > Colin +1 from someone who does use JOSM. ___ Tagging mailing list Tag

Re: [Tagging] direction=forward/backward on nodes ?

2014-04-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:43:58PM +0200, Janko Mihelić wrote: > 2014-04-12 20:39 GMT+02:00 John Packer : > > > I have never used this key before because of the drawback you mentioned: > > "There is no editor supporting this tag when reverting a way direction", > > > > Does anyone else think that