[Tagging] Internet Café = Café ?!?

[Andreas Goss]

Key:internet_access - "Internet cafes are primarily cafes"

Can anybody explain how you came to that conclusion?

For me this has nothing to do with a café:

http://semo.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/2013-02-25-11.52.31.jpg
http://madinghana.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/vodafone-internet-cafe.jpg
http://infinite-fusion.com/wp-cntnt/uploads/2013/07/my-internet-cafe.jpg

Then there also LAN gaming centers and looking at Korea "... it is the 
estimated 25,000 PC bangs that now exist".


Which it seems should be subtagged as internet cafe: 
http://english.visitkorea.or.kr/enu/SI/SI_EN_3_6.jsp?cid=256943


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_bang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAN_gaming_center
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Re: [Tagging] Distinction between amenity=restaurant and fast_food

[Richard Weait]

fast_food vs. restaurant, ah yes, a debate for the ages. :-)

I used the counter service versus table service distinction for a
while, then another mapper from our local group suggested that a
distinction with fewer exceptions is: pay before eating (fast_food)
vs. pay after eating (restaurant).

It isn't a perfect match, but it works pretty well here.

If I'm really having a hard time selecting the perfect tag from
equally good candidates, I'll check what other local mappers have used
and follow their guidance.

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Re: [Tagging] Research laboratory

[John Yani]

See also this rejected proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/research_institution


On 5 August 2014 14:18, Yves  wrote:

> A laboratory can take a lot of forms: a building, a farm field, a desert
> ...
> So definitely defining a primary tag with laboratory=primary speciality is
> a good idea imo.
> Yves
>
> On 5 août 2014 12:39:10 UTC+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer <
> dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> 2014-08-05 12:06 GMT+02:00 Pierre-Alain Dorange :
>>
>>> amenity=laboratory (66)
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think this would be a generic tag for a single laboratory. (generic,
>> because a laboratory will be very different according to what you are doing
>> there, e.g. developping photos, medical research, medical analysis,
>> developing motors, research on radio waves, ...). Even something like
>> "chemistry_laboratory" will still be quite generic with respect to the
>> different kind of actual chemical laboratories that there are in the world.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> building=laboratory (10)
>>>
>>
>>
>> fine for a lab building, not sufficient (IMHO) for the lab itself
>> (function, user)
>>
>>
>>
>>>  office=laboratory , but it was pure R&D (not industrial ones)
>>>
>>
>>
>> doesn't make sense to me. Something is typically either a lab or an
>> office (different specs / requirements)
>>
>>
>>
>>> health_facility:type=laboratory (138) : but only for medical research
>>>
>>
>>
>> I am not sure I'd use this for research, but I'd probably use it for
>> "service" labs (i.e. a lab that does blood analysis or other kind of
>> medical analysis)
>>
>>
>> research_institution=yes (2008 proposal)
>>>
>>
>>
>> this will fit on the institution, e.g. Fraunhofer, Max-Planck, CNR in
>> Italy, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>>  laboratory=*
>>>
>>
>>
>> sounds like a tag to refine the type of lab
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> For big/industrial research lab i would use
>>> "industrial=laboratory" + "laboratory=nuclear"
>>> inside a "landuse=industrial"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> in the case of nuclear I'd like agree, while not everyone conducting
>> research for an industrial user, or owned by an industrial company will
>> himself be considered industrial (IMHO). Maybe this something we should
>> clarify / reach for consensus: what is "industrial" meaning ? In building
>> law, industrial usage is typically opposed to research or administration
>> usage, because you'd expect the latter to create less pollution, (noise,
>> smell etc.) and they are therefor more compatible with residential
>> requirements.
>>
>>
>>
>>> For small ones (not industrial) :
>>> "building=laboratory" + "laboratory=nuclear"
>>>
>>
>>
>> what is your definition of an "industrial laboratory" and which other
>> types would you like to be there? FWIW, I'd interpret this tag combination
>> as a lab building for nuclear research or analysis, but I wouldn't
>> necessarily expect a nuclear lab working inside (could also be a disused
>> lab).
>>
>>
>> I have found these (in small) use tags in the amenity namespace (which I
>> would likely expect this to be in):
>> 17
>> *amenity* 
>> *research*_institution
>> 
>> 16
>> *amenity* 
>> *research* 
>> 11
>> *amenity* 
>> *research*_institute
>> 
>> 6
>> *amenity* 
>> *research*_centre
>> 
>> 6
>> *amenity* 
>> *research*_station
>> 
>> 3
>> *amenity* 
>> *research*_center
>> 
>> 3
>> old_*amenity* 
>> *research*_institution
>> 
>> 1
>> *amenity* 
>> *Research* Institute
>> 
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Martin
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Research laboratory

[Yves]

A laboratory can take a lot of forms: a building, a farm field, a desert ...
So definitely defining a primary tag with laboratory=primary speciality is a 
good idea imo.
Yves

On 5 août 2014 12:39:10 UTC+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer  
wrote:
>2014-08-05 12:06 GMT+02:00 Pierre-Alain Dorange :
>
>> amenity=laboratory (66)
>>
>
>
>I think this would be a generic tag for a single laboratory. (generic,
>because a laboratory will be very different according to what you are
>doing
>there, e.g. developping photos, medical research, medical analysis,
>developing motors, research on radio waves, ...). Even something like
>"chemistry_laboratory" will still be quite generic with respect to the
>different kind of actual chemical laboratories that there are in the
>world.
>
>
>
>
>
>> building=laboratory (10)
>>
>
>
>fine for a lab building, not sufficient (IMHO) for the lab itself
>(function, user)
>
>
>
>> office=laboratory , but it was pure R&D (not industrial ones)
>>
>
>
>doesn't make sense to me. Something is typically either a lab or an
>office
>(different specs / requirements)
>
>
>
>> health_facility:type=laboratory (138) : but only for medical research
>>
>
>
>I am not sure I'd use this for research, but I'd probably use it for
>"service" labs (i.e. a lab that does blood analysis or other kind of
>medical analysis)
>
>
>research_institution=yes (2008 proposal)
>>
>
>
>this will fit on the institution, e.g. Fraunhofer, Max-Planck, CNR in
>Italy, etc.
>
>
>
>> laboratory=*
>>
>
>
>sounds like a tag to refine the type of lab
>
>
>
>>
>> For big/industrial research lab i would use
>> "industrial=laboratory" + "laboratory=nuclear"
>> inside a "landuse=industrial"
>>
>
>
>
>in the case of nuclear I'd like agree, while not everyone conducting
>research for an industrial user, or owned by an industrial company will
>himself be considered industrial (IMHO). Maybe this something we should
>clarify / reach for consensus: what is "industrial" meaning ? In
>building
>law, industrial usage is typically opposed to research or
>administration
>usage, because you'd expect the latter to create less pollution,
>(noise,
>smell etc.) and they are therefor more compatible with residential
>requirements.
>
>
>
>> For small ones (not industrial) :
>> "building=laboratory" + "laboratory=nuclear"
>>
>
>
>what is your definition of an "industrial laboratory" and which other
>types
>would you like to be there? FWIW, I'd interpret this tag combination as
>a
>lab building for nuclear research or analysis, but I wouldn't
>necessarily
>expect a nuclear lab working inside (could also be a disused lab).
>
>
>I have found these (in small) use tags in the amenity namespace (which
>I
>would likely expect this to be in):
>17
>*amenity* 
>*research*_institution
>
>16
>*amenity* 
>*research* 
>11
>*amenity* 
>*research*_institute
>
>6
>*amenity* 
>*research*_centre
>
>6
>*amenity* 
>*research*_station
>
>3
>*amenity* 
>*research*_center
>
>3
>old_*amenity* 
>*research*_institution
>
>1
>*amenity* 
>*Research* Institute
>
>
>
>cheers,
>Martin
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Research laboratory

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2014-08-05 12:06 GMT+02:00 Pierre-Alain Dorange :

> amenity=laboratory (66)
>


I think this would be a generic tag for a single laboratory. (generic,
because a laboratory will be very different according to what you are doing
there, e.g. developping photos, medical research, medical analysis,
developing motors, research on radio waves, ...). Even something like
"chemistry_laboratory" will still be quite generic with respect to the
different kind of actual chemical laboratories that there are in the world.





> building=laboratory (10)
>


fine for a lab building, not sufficient (IMHO) for the lab itself
(function, user)



> office=laboratory , but it was pure R&D (not industrial ones)
>


doesn't make sense to me. Something is typically either a lab or an office
(different specs / requirements)



> health_facility:type=laboratory (138) : but only for medical research
>


I am not sure I'd use this for research, but I'd probably use it for
"service" labs (i.e. a lab that does blood analysis or other kind of
medical analysis)


research_institution=yes (2008 proposal)
>


this will fit on the institution, e.g. Fraunhofer, Max-Planck, CNR in
Italy, etc.



> laboratory=*
>


sounds like a tag to refine the type of lab



>
> For big/industrial research lab i would use
> "industrial=laboratory" + "laboratory=nuclear"
> inside a "landuse=industrial"
>



in the case of nuclear I'd like agree, while not everyone conducting
research for an industrial user, or owned by an industrial company will
himself be considered industrial (IMHO). Maybe this something we should
clarify / reach for consensus: what is "industrial" meaning ? In building
law, industrial usage is typically opposed to research or administration
usage, because you'd expect the latter to create less pollution, (noise,
smell etc.) and they are therefor more compatible with residential
requirements.



> For small ones (not industrial) :
> "building=laboratory" + "laboratory=nuclear"
>


what is your definition of an "industrial laboratory" and which other types
would you like to be there? FWIW, I'd interpret this tag combination as a
lab building for nuclear research or analysis, but I wouldn't necessarily
expect a nuclear lab working inside (could also be a disused lab).


I have found these (in small) use tags in the amenity namespace (which I
would likely expect this to be in):
17
*amenity* 
*research*_institution

16
*amenity* 
*research* 
11
*amenity* 
*research*_institute

6
*amenity* 
*research*_centre

6
*amenity* 
*research*_station

3
*amenity* 
*research*_center

3
old_*amenity* 
*research*_institution

1
*amenity* 
*Research* Institute



cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Research laboratory

[Dan S]

Hi Pierre-Alain,

That's a good question. I thought I'd search a couple of names to see
how they are tagged. Here is a selection:

INRIA (in France):
 * office=research  http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2529263700
 * office=government http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/124838923
 * landuse=commercial (huh?) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52380877

Fraunhofer (in Germany):
 * office=research http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/146020861
 * office=research http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2869588612
 * landuse=industrial http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/244665212
 * landuse=commercial (huh?) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/62306004

(I haven't listed entries which don't really have any tagging.)

In my opinion office=research is a good choice, and it is already used a lot:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/compare/office=research/industrial=laboratory/office=laboratory

Best
Dan

2014-08-05 11:06 GMT+01:00 Pierre-Alain Dorange :
> Hello,
>
> First sorry for my poor english, i was french (no one is perfect).
>
> I was looking to tag "Research Laboratory" (either private/commercial
> and public), part or not part of a univercity. This Research laboratory
> are big one with industrial facility (like plant) for biological,
> geological or nuclear research.
>
> I do not find satisfaying tags for that (but perhaps i do not search the
> right way).
>
> OSM wiki do not have info about that (except a 2008 proposal [1])
>
> Taginfo show me :
>
> amenity=laboratory (66)
> building=laboratory (10)
> office=laboratory , but it was pure R&D (not industrial ones)
> health_facility:type=laboratory (138) : but only for medical research
> research_institution=yes (2008 proposal)
> laboratory=*
>
> For big/industrial research lab i would use
> "industrial=laboratory" + "laboratory=nuclear"
> inside a "landuse=industrial"
> For small ones (not industrial) :
> "building=laboratory" + "laboratory=nuclear"
>
> What about this ?
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[Tagging] Research laboratory

[Pierre-Alain Dorange]

Hello,

First sorry for my poor english, i was french (no one is perfect).

I was looking to tag "Research Laboratory" (either private/commercial
and public), part or not part of a univercity. This Research laboratory
are big one with industrial facility (like plant) for biological,
geological or nuclear research.

I do not find satisfaying tags for that (but perhaps i do not search the
right way).

OSM wiki do not have info about that (except a 2008 proposal [1])

Taginfo show me :

amenity=laboratory (66)
building=laboratory (10)
office=laboratory , but it was pure R&D (not industrial ones)
health_facility:type=laboratory (138) : but only for medical research
research_institution=yes (2008 proposal)
laboratory=*

For big/industrial research lab i would use 
"industrial=laboratory" + "laboratory=nuclear"
inside a "landuse=industrial"
For small ones (not industrial) :
"building=laboratory" + "laboratory=nuclear"

What about this ?
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OSM experiences : 


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