[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - cycleway=soft_lane

2014-09-12 Thread Hubert
Hallo together. 

 

I would like to ask for any comments and opinions to this proposal
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Soft_lane. 

 

Thank you for your time and

Best Regards

Hubert

 

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[Tagging] The not-shops: industrial, industry, or business

2014-09-12 Thread Michał Brzozowski
On 09/03/2014 11:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
 Another thing that comes to my mind: maybe we could indeed create this
 catalogue of tens of thousands of business types - who if not us will be
 able to do such a work? This doesn't imply the mapper would have to scroll
 long lists of thousands of entries, it could be well structured from coarse
 to fine.

I too wondered about this problem. The current shop/craft tagging
seems *very* broken for everything non-standard. We can't expect
people to invent new tags for every type of service or merchandise,
such as tractor repair or chimneys. You can use any tags you
want, but think of the software, how can it deliver relevant results
then?

Think what people *need*. When they go to Google Maps, they don't look
for a supermarket or grocery, they look for some specialized
stores/services.
Another issue is that people passionately add OSM notes for businesses
there's no approved tagging for.

I too, thought independently, about these human-readable description
tags like shop:merchandise:language and how idiots (of which we have
an abundance already) or diary spammers (who laugh in admins' faces)
will abuse it. But who knows, this may be a viable solution.
Compare with Business Name at
https://support.google.com/business/answer/3038177?hl=enref_topic=4540086
.

So, I checked how Google does this. And here you have all the 2200+
POI categories you can choose from when you add your
business/institution/whatever.

http://pastebin.com/BHqXvkS4

It seems they flattened their hierarchy here, for instance every
cuisine has its own restaurant tag.. I guess internally there's some
tree of categories, so that searching non-specific terms returns
meaningful results.

Anyway, our shop/service tagging system is quite flawed in its current
form and is suitable for consumption only at a basic level.

This presents an issue that too few people think of OSM as an
ecosystem. We have disjoint teams (or individuals) developing
tagging/website/editors/map style/map applications. This isn't good
for creating a map that would serve users' needs (couldn't help myself
but write the proverbial displace Google Maps ;-) )

Greetings
Michał

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Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-09-12 Thread fly
Am 18.08.2014 16:04, schrieb fly:
 Hey
 
 On the English wiki page [1] comma is the proposed separator for
 several values of addr:housenumber.
 
 This contradicts our rule of using semi-colon as separator of values
 and I do not have a clue why.
 
 I propose to deprecate comma and use semi-colon instead to harmonize
 our data structure and allow QA software to find problematic values.
 
 What do you think ?
 
 Cheers fly
 
 
 [1]
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Buildings_with_multiple_house_numbers

To summarize:

1. There was no objection at all, so far.

2. It was pointed out that comma does look better on a map and that this
might be the cause for documenting comma and using it.

See [2] for an enhancement request to render semi-colon as comma in carto.


cu fly

[2]  https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/920


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Re: [Tagging] The not-shops: industrial, industry, or business

2014-09-12 Thread John Willis
Yea, there needs to be a better framework for adding shops that are not in the 
system is a manner that is consistent, and possibly can work with -carto to 
have icons added by users without so much hassle. 

Here in japan, they have several different types of fast food, quick 
restaurants, and formal restaurants in categories everyone here recognizes - 
but get can't get put into a proper category or get a bad icon. 

Eg: an isakaiya is not really a pub. It's their own thing. 
And takoyaki is fast food, represented by a hamburger. 

- cuisine needs to have, probably, a thousand new tags added to cover this, and 
regional icons need to be paired with them. 

Making the maps more region friendly  - to conform to the expectations and 
customs of the mapping language of the region is one thing I want to work on, 
and this is a part of it. 

Javbw

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:45 AM, Michał Brzozowski www.ha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 09/03/2014 11:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
 Another thing that comes to my mind: maybe we could indeed create this
 catalogue of tens of thousands of business types - who if not us will be
 able to do such a work? This doesn't imply the mapper would have to scroll
 long lists of thousands of entries, it could be well structured from coarse
 to fine.
 
 I too wondered about this problem. The current shop/craft tagging
 seems *very* broken for everything non-standard. We can't expect
 people to invent new tags for every type of service or merchandise,
 such as tractor repair or chimneys. You can use any tags you
 want, but think of the software, how can it deliver relevant results
 then?
 
 Think what people *need*. When they go to Google Maps, they don't look
 for a supermarket or grocery, they look for some specialized
 stores/services.
 Another issue is that people passionately add OSM notes for businesses
 there's no approved tagging for.
 
 I too, thought independently, about these human-readable description
 tags like shop:merchandise:language and how idiots (of which we have
 an abundance already) or diary spammers (who laugh in admins' faces)
 will abuse it. But who knows, this may be a viable solution.
 Compare with Business Name at
 https://support.google.com/business/answer/3038177?hl=enref_topic=4540086
 .
 
 So, I checked how Google does this. And here you have all the 2200+
 POI categories you can choose from when you add your
 business/institution/whatever.
 
 http://pastebin.com/BHqXvkS4
 
 It seems they flattened their hierarchy here, for instance every
 cuisine has its own restaurant tag.. I guess internally there's some
 tree of categories, so that searching non-specific terms returns
 meaningful results.
 
 Anyway, our shop/service tagging system is quite flawed in its current
 form and is suitable for consumption only at a basic level.
 
 This presents an issue that too few people think of OSM as an
 ecosystem. We have disjoint teams (or individuals) developing
 tagging/website/editors/map style/map applications. This isn't good
 for creating a map that would serve users' needs (couldn't help myself
 but write the proverbial displace Google Maps ;-) )
 
 Greetings
 Michał
 
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[Tagging] English translations in non-english countries

2014-09-12 Thread johnw
been tagging a while in Japan, and a lot of larger infrastructure things - 
roads, motorways, train stations, have english names added in parenthesis, such 
as for 
Tokyo Station [東京駅] :

name=東京 (Tokyo)
Name:ja=東京
name:en=Tokyo

There are hundreds of things that care labeled that way, I continued adding 
them for my area - and makes the basic set of the OSM data readable outside 
Japan - but Japanese names or English only maps would pull the clean render. 

I assumed this was a convention here in Japan, and I have been been working to 
look up the english tags and adding the English to the Japanese in the above 
format. 

Considering most large transportation places, even tollway exits, are clearly 
labeled in Japanese and English, this convention seemed a good solution for the 
general name. 

Today I noticed a professional and prolific tagger in my area has been deleting 
off all the english in parenthesis. 

Is there in OSM wide set for this? pulling all the default (English) labels 
off of an internationally focused map seems truly backwards. 

I know doing basic business tagging and whatnot may not need that, but for 
Transportation?

Whats the deal there?

Javbw
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