Hi!
As the usage of maxspeed:variable continues to increase, I would like to
draw your attention again to its proposal:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dynamic_maxspeed
In my opinion maxspeed:variable is far superior to maxspeed=signals as it
provides not only the
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, Никита wrote:
leisure=playground
playground:supervised=yes/no
playground:outdoor=yes/no
playground:indoor=yes/no
kids_area=* is not about these 4 tags. kids_area=* is disjoint to
leisure=playgrounds. Please read proposal.
Why not?
Is your questions serious? Do you really want to tag 1000 pencils at 30
tables? Will you update this information from day to day? Will you separate
playground:felt-tip pen=yes from playground:pen=yes?
However, I think it was bad decision to have it tagged as playground=swing/etc
instead
Let me highlight something that was said by you(!) in the email I
answered to:
Do you have tags forplayground=pony? playground=pencils? playground=books?
playground=table?
playground=horses? If not, there no reason to talk about it in
kids_area proposal
...and then you proceed to talk
The principle yes vs. no vs. unrecorded is no total ban of default values.
But if both, yes and no have a certain likelyhood, you mustn't use no as
a default value.
Toll is a good example:
In a region without toll roads or on a type of roads that is always for free,
you need not tag tool=no.
In
This topic not about leisure=playground tagging. We need to define 2 ned
tags: amenity=kids_area and kids_area=*. Please don't tell us about
leisure=playground (it was mentioned in proposal that new tags will be
opposite to leisure=playground) or amenity=recycling or recycling:*=*
shema (WTF).
2014-12-19 8:27 GMT+01:00 Никита acr...@gmail.com:
kids_area=* is not about these 4 tags. kids_area=* is disjoint to
leisure=playgrounds. Please read proposal.
http://www.imenno.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/HD_08.jpg-940x626.jpg -
leisure=playground
2014-12-19 11:03 GMT+01:00 Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi:
However, I think it was bad decision to have it tagged as
playground=swing/etc
+1, and it is also diverging from how tagging in OSM often works. Typically
I'd expect from
leisure=playground
playground=foo
to express that
2014-12-19 12:06 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
how do you suggest to tag a kids_area?
sorry, forget about this, I overlooked one of the links in the beginning...
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IMO, kids_area=* is prefered when you have bigger feature:
name=Joe pub
amenity=pub
kids_area=yes
kids_area:fee=no
or explicitly using:
amenity=kids_area
fee=no
operator=Joe pub
opening_hours=10-20
2014-12-19 15:06 GMT+04:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
2014-12-19 8:27
Some weeks ago, there was a post in the forum by a mapper, who remembered that
there was a cycletrack at a road he had used, but he had forgotten on which
side.
Furthermore, Opencyclemap renders cycleway=track but doesn't detect
cycyleway:right=track. Therefore, some mappers don't tag the side
2014-12-19 12:12 GMT+01:00 Никита acr...@gmail.com:
IMO, kids_area=* is prefered when you have bigger feature:
name=Joe pub
amenity=pub
kids_area=yes
kids_area:fee=no
or explicitly using:
amenity=kids_area
fee=no
operator=Joe pub
opening_hours=10-20
I think this tagging is
otherwise there would be useless overlap
It is similar to hotel vs motels. Once you see good hotel you will filter
out motels (hostels etc) from hotels. You don't want to classify motels.
You want good hotels.
We should put the focus on defining criteria for distinguishing these two.
Ok, lets
2014-12-19 13:07 GMT+01:00 Никита acr...@gmail.com:
leisure=playground (usually outdoor), kids_area (almost always indoor, esp
in Russia during winter)
why can't we get rid of the exceptions (usually, almost always) and
state that one is outdoors, the other indoors (if standalone), or one is
-1 for amenity=reuse. Building=house can also be reused. This might be the
most vague tag I've ever seen.
Dana 18. 12. 2014. 14:55 osoba Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
napisala je:
for reference, there have been discussions on this previously:
state that one is outdoors, the other indoors
We speak for new tags now. I don't want to touch old tagging schema
(leisure=playground) with over 200K+ uses, there will be even more people
who don't see need in kids_area=*.
not convinced. poor equipment is not my experience for some places,
this
2014-12-19 13:30 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com:
This might be the most vague tag I've ever seen.
OT - just for a smile:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/building=building
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Hi!
2014-12-19 13:17 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
2014-12-19 13:07 GMT+01:00 Никита acr...@gmail.com:
leisure=playground (usually outdoor), kids_area (almost always indoor,
esp in Russia during winter)
why can't we get rid of the exceptions (usually, almost always)
2014-12-19 13:52 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com:
I would prefer leisure=playground for standalone and kids_area=yes for an
additional feature. This seems intuitive to me.
+1, I'd see it the same. We could still have amenity=kids_area as well (for
explicit mapping of the
-1, there is no reason to tag two identical playgrounds (outdoor, standard
set of playground toys) differently just because one
is near mall and other not.
2014-12-19 13:59 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
2014-12-19 13:52 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com:
I
2014-12-19 13:59 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
I wouldn't add secondary criteria to the definition that is only sometimes
or usually true.
That's usually not a good idea, because sometimes a common motorway might
also be some kind of runway for something similar to an
2014-12-19 14:05 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com:
-1, there is no reason to tag two identical playgrounds (outdoor, standard
set of playground toys) differently just because one
is near mall and other not.
You are right. But we are not talking about near, we are talking
is near mall and other not.
-1 to you. You failed to understand proposal/discussion. There a lot more
differences beside simply indoor/outdoor criteria. Please read discussion
from start.
2014-12-19 17:06 GMT+04:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com:
2014-12-19 13:59 GMT+01:00 Martin
we are talking about part of
I think we can use this in definition, but lets wait for Dmitry. Here is my
point:
Definition:
(required, must be tagged) kids_area=* - used for areas dedicated for kids
within bigger facilities (restaurants, fast_foods, hotels, hospitals,
airports, shops)
On 19 December 2014 at 14:09, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
2014-12-19 14:05 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com:
-1, there is no reason to tag two identical playgrounds (outdoor, standard
set of playground toys) differently just because one
is near mall and other
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 01:52:22PM +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote:
I would prefer leisure=playground for standalone and kids_area=yes for an
additional feature. This seems intuitive to me.
Just a quick interjection from a native English speaker. Kids is
slang. The proper English term is
* what is the maximum possible(!) speed limit
The possible max speed limit is most likely the speed limit fo that type of
road in that country, unless you have better information (from what source
with what licence?), but that's not really helpful for a router
* what is the reason(!) for the
On Fri, 2014-12-19 at 15:13 +, ael wrote:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 01:52:22PM +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote:
I would prefer leisure=playground for standalone and kids_area=yes for an
additional feature. This seems intuitive to me.
Just a quick interjection from a native English
On 19/12/2014, Никита acr...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, lets try:
leisure=playground (usually outdoor), kids_area (almost always indoor, esp
in Russia during winter)
leisure=playground (poor equipment, often vandal resistant), kids_area
(fragile or expensive equipment is not rare)
just tag the amenity with playground=yes.
That doesn't work. We have a 20 km^2 airport. Will you really tag it with a
20 km^2 playground (child_area)?
that I feel it's hopeless to try to tag it.
For the same reason you prefer hotels over motels or hostels. There many
differences but you
On 19/12/2014, Никита acr...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead of 4 or 10 tags in OSM,
real people use words: детская площадка (leisure=playground), детская
игровая комната(kids_area=*) - this is much simpler and native way to map
objects. This will work for short term, since we want to use kids_area.
On 19/12/2014, Никита acr...@gmail.com wrote:
just tag the amenity with playground=yes.
That doesn't work. We have a 20 km^2 airport. Will you really tag it with a
20 km^2 playground (child_area)?
Tagging playground=yes on an amenity is just intended as a tagging
shortcut (like atm=yes), but
but of course you can map things more precisely.
Exactly this was discussed.
And I don't want to face the same quandary deciding between playground
and children_area.
I'm sorry for inconvenience, shall we remove several countries from OSM so
you can easily use single tag you like to see?
On Fri, 2014-12-19 at 17:45 +0100, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
Trust me, there no overlap between:
Детская площадка (leisure=playground)
Игровая зона для детей (amenity=kids_area)
The key criterias are wether it's indoor or outdoor and wether a fee
is required. No need to introduce
On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Philip Barnes wrote:
And please make this childrens_area, kids is a slang word and is not
appropriate in formal english, such as OSM tagging.
Unless, of course, it is an area where young goats are kept. :)
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On 19/12/2014, Никита acr...@gmail.com wrote:
but of course you can map things more precisely.
Exactly this was discussed.
I was only arguing for using playground + subtags instead of
playground vs children_area and noting that playground=yes could
be added to the main amenity instead of
On 18.12.2014 17:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
yes, legally it's Einheitsgemeinde, but that's maybe not a title...
The Land has the title Stadtstaat, and of course it's also
Bundeshauptstadt.
Which one should go into admin_title and why?
Have a look at Gemeinde Gutenbrunn:
On 19/12/2014 15:13, ael wrote:
Just a quick interjection from a native English speaker. Kids is
slang. The proper English term is children. A kid is young goat.
+1.
I had been planning at some point to throw that particular spanner in
the works.
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On 19/12/2014 18:02, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
I was only arguing for using playground + subtags instead of
playground vs children_area
It's childrens_area, not children_area. In normal prose, it would be
children's area (possessive, with an apostrophe). I think we generally
accept the
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