Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Rename wiki status Approved to Published
On 04/04/2015, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/04/2015 8:58 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: It is a 'No' vote. Not an abstain. . For an English definition see http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/154075?redirectedFrom=published#eid That's behind a paywall. Would you copy oed's definition here ? A small enough quote should be fair use. I went ahead and looked at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publishing instead, which I feel would be more universal than a uk-centric definition anyway. Replacement of the word 'Approved with Published' will cause a similar level of confusion. No gain, indeed a loss as time will be wasted changing the word 'approved'. I'm sure published will bring its fair share of confusion. And if it didn't, this mailinglist would have a very hard time agreeing on it : we need to leave some marginof interpretation or else everybody will veto some tiny detail. But whatever the level of confusion of both terms may be, I still think that approved is a step in the right direction. It's closer to what *I* think proposals are good for. Even if the error bar was bigger, the value is more correct and the term is better. One can try to write a page defining what published means in the context of wiki proposals. But given the current level of controversy, I wish the authors good luck :p ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings
Am 03.04.2015 um 12:57 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: If the camp_site information 'tourist', 'scout', 'refugee' etc is outside OSM then the render/user has no hope of determining which it is. While I can agree that scouts are implying also a leisure component (besides eg education), I think that refugee camps aren't a part of camp sites that fit into the tourism definition (people traveling for leisure), neither are detention camps cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings
I don't say that tourist, scout, refugee should be outside OSM. My statement is that the group key (tourism, shop, highway, ...) is not needed, as all information is in the value (hotel, supermarket, motorway, ...). Attribute tags that give more information about the main key (opening_hours=...) remain needed. Something like this is absolutely wrong, because it suggests that a refugee camp is something touristic.: tourism=camp_site camp_type=refugee_camp On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:45 PM Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 03.04.2015 um 12:57 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: If the camp_site information 'tourist', 'scout', 'refugee' etc is outside OSM then the render/user has no hope of determining which it is. While I can agree that scouts are implying also a leisure component (besides eg education), I think that refugee camps aren't a part of camp sites that fit into the tourism definition (people traveling for leisure), neither are detention camps cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Edit of wiki page amenity=drinking_water for man_made=water_tap
Hi, I have edited the wiki page on amenity=drinking_water https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddrinking_water To reflect the new tag man_made=water_tap This suggests that the correct tag to use for a water tap is man_made=water_tap ... and that amenity_drinking_water is for drinking fountains (bubblers in Australian). My edit; 1) removes references to water taps as a suitable use for amenity=drinking_water 2) adds links to a=man_made=water_tap as the tag to use for water taps. (waving red flag for discussion/conflict/flames!) This should resolve any confusion as to which tag to use. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Rename wiki status Approved to Published
Honestly, this approved v. something else is a storm in a tea cup. The proposals have been (or not) approved. Yes, by a small minority of OSM mappers but ones who have thought about the proposal and they are not in any way an exclusive group. It does not say compulsory, required or anything prescriptive, it just says the proposal has been approved and it has. Lets leave it there. David On Sun, 2015-04-05 at 09:01 +1000, Warin wrote: On 5/04/2015 8:12 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 3:23 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: One can try to write a page defining what published means in the context of wiki proposals. But given the current level of controversy, I wish the authors good luck :p This mailing list community veers toward nit picking and bike shedding, and tends to block rather than guide forward change. It's also a tiny fraction of the mapping community, which is sad. Published in this sense means published on the wiki, By this definition a Draft proposal is published .. if taken literally. Published ... is not a 'good' word for the intended use. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Edit of wiki page amenity=drinking_water for man_made=water_tap
The proper way to tag water tap with drinking water is to use both and amenity=drinking_water and man_made=water_tap. On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 10:16:58 +1000 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have edited the wiki page on amenity=drinking_water https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddrinking_water To reflect the new tag man_made=water_tap This suggests that the correct tag to use for a water tap is man_made=water_tap ... and that amenity_drinking_water is for drinking fountains (bubblers in Australian). My edit; 1) removes references to water taps as a suitable use for amenity=drinking_water 2) adds links to a=man_made=water_tap as the tag to use for water taps. (waving red flag for discussion/conflict/flames!) This should resolve any confusion as to which tag to use. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] One if by Land, two if by Sea
A recent proposal I promoted turns out to have a flaw. It's amenity=sanitary_dump_station. Despite fairly extensive discussion on this list, apparently nobody with a boating background had a good look at the proposal. The flaw only came to light as tagging started. Can you figure out the flaw? Rot-13: Znevar chzcbhgf ner ba ynaq, ohg trarenyyl na EI vf abg jrypbzr. -- Marine pumpouts are on land, but generally an RV is not welcome. A proposed fix is described here for your comment: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/waterway%3Dsanitary_dump_station There are still about a dozen different tagging schemes for toilet holding tank dumping. I've consolidated another dozen. I've messaged a number of prolific mappers of marine stations, and have good agreement on retagging. The proposal to render this feature is stalled: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1466 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Rename wiki status Approved to Published
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 3:23 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: One can try to write a page defining what published means in the context of wiki proposals. But given the current level of controversy, I wish the authors good luck :p This mailing list community veers toward nit picking and bike shedding, and tends to block rather than guide forward change. It's also a tiny fraction of the mapping community, which is sad. *Published *in this sense means published on the wiki, a resource that is referenced by editing tools, but not considered authoritative. OSM has an open tagging system, and mappers are free to pick their own conventions. Decision makers for rendering software are free to pick from the tag soup, and render only select details. A successful tag proposal often involves much more than just wiki publishing. *Approved* means approved the tagging mailing list participants, a small fraction of the OSM community. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Rename wiki status Approved to Published
On 5/04/2015 8:12 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 3:23 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com mailto:molto...@gmail.com wrote: One can try to write a page defining what published means in the context of wiki proposals. But given the current level of controversy, I wish the authors good luck :p This mailing list community veers toward nit picking and bike shedding, and tends to block rather than guide forward change. It's also a tiny fraction of the mapping community, which is sad. *Published *in this sense means published on the wiki, By this definition a Draft proposal is published .. if taken literally. Published ... is not a 'good' word for the intended use. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
