Re: [Tagging] addr:interpolation on highway

2015-04-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
The most common physical signage in the USA gives just a number range: It would be nice to have a clutter free way to tag those, in part because they could be collected in bulk by drive cameras and OCR. It's less information than an interpolation line, but still very very useful. Many printed

Re: [Tagging] fire extinguisher class

2015-04-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: In the UK, the class is not printed huge letters. They main thing they are labelled with is the contents of the extinguisher, with a coloured stripe. ie red for water, blue for powder, black for CO2. Then tag

Re: [Tagging] fire extinguisher class

2015-04-23 Thread Craig Wallace
On 2015-04-23 18:01, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:31 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk mailto:p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: That makes much more sense, and as you say, maps the physical characteristics. The letters seem like specialist knowledge that few people will be

Re: [Tagging] fire extinguisher class

2015-04-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:31 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: That makes much more sense, and as you say, maps the physical characteristics. The letters seem like specialist knowledge that few people will be aware of. Phil (trigpoint ) But the letter codes are exactly what's printed in

Re: [Tagging] fire extinguisher class

2015-04-23 Thread John Willis
The fire type is most important, but depending on the material used, it can be used on several types - So +1 for tagging the material first and foremost. Most common household extinguishers in the US are dry powder ABC extinguishers. At the bottom of the #united states section is a conversion

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:40 PM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 15:16 +0900, johnw wrote: That’s why I thought informal yet legal spots would be good wording to cover this, and maybe link over to the camp_type proposal here - because

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-23 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 23/04/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: you're suggesting smoking as a single namespace, which doesn't apply to vaporizers. Maybe inhaling? On the other hand, smoking is also forbidden when not inhaling... ;-) I think different namespaces make sense here, because they

Re: [Tagging] fire extinguisher class

2015-04-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 23.04.2015 um 19:01 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: Putting the translation into OSM will help exactly zero people use the right extinguisher in a real fire. why? There won't be a letter on the fire, so you would anyway have to make an adaptation to your situation. The

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 24.04.2015 05:02, Warin wrote: The essence of a modern via ferrata is a steel cable which runs along the route and is periodically (every 3 to 10 metres (9.8 to 32.8 ft)) fixed to the rock. So you certainly agree that this is safer than an unsecured path. Nevertheless, a ferrata cannot be

Re: [Tagging] fire extinguisher class

2015-04-23 Thread Warin
While fire extinguishers have various codes ... Extinguishers are placed by the requirements of possible fires in that location. So if you find one local to the fire it should be suitable for use there. Thus added tagging should serve little to no purpose. Sorry to be so practical but people

[Tagging] Proofread

2015-04-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
User Xxzme wanted the recent dump station wiki pages reorganized. Anyone willing to proofread? No tagging changes were intended: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Toilet_Holding_Tank_Disposal Unfortunately this messes with the recently translated Russian French and German versions of the page

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Warin
Some minor things .. overhang ? Should not 'covered' be used? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:covered Even more trivial ... Oneway .. should include the information that it is on the direction of the way ... -1 for reverse direction. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-23 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2015, at 7:01 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: to me using e-cigarettes *is* smoking. +1 An i-phone is still considered a phone. The rules governing e-cigs will stem from smoking in most places. I'm not going to include BBQs in smoking

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread David Bannon
Jan, are you going to have another try at camp_type= ? I think the term non-designated was a contributor to it struggling. Trouble is, the idea you have here is an important one but one its quite hard to get your head around. David On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 05:05 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote: My

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread David Bannon
On Fri, 2015-04-24 at 06:47 +0900, John Willis wrote: I don't want people to map known illegal camp sites or places they just happened to spend the night and think are nice but are on a farmers private property just to complete the map, as map the ground truth means mapping

Re: [Tagging] fire extinguisher class

2015-04-23 Thread John Willis
On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: they look at the colour. I agree that the letter codes wouldn't be used when looking for an extinguisher, but it is used for managing them. The color codes are not universal either. Also, here in Japan there are hello kitty

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

2015-04-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-04-23 0:24 GMT+02:00 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: Your scheme uses exactly as many keys as mine for a given usecase. The only difference is that I put everything under a single namespace, which makes it tidyer and more discoverable. you're suggesting smoking as a single

Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank

2015-04-23 Thread Malcolm Herring
This idea of the linear river way being along the deepest part seems to have been created in this thread. No such 'rule' exists, either in practice, nor in Wiki tagging pages. The normal usage is to place the way along the approximate centre line of the waterway, just as we do with roads. As

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread johnw
On Apr 23, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: that have not been defined as campground, but that are used as such for different reasons. That’s why I thought informal yet legal spots would be good wording to cover this, and maybe link over to the camp_type

Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank

2015-04-23 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Thursday 23 April 2015, Malcolm Herring wrote: This idea of the linear river way being along the deepest part seems to have been created in this thread. No such 'rule' exists, either in practice, nor in Wiki tagging pages. couch

[Tagging] fire extinguisher class

2015-04-23 Thread Florian LAINEZ
Hi, it's the first time I write to this mailing list, I am a french contributor interested in train stations. I want to describe more precisely an extinguisher and I have seen the tag emergency=fire_extinguisher that is used de facto. What about adding some details regarding the type with

Re: [Tagging] fire extinguisher class

2015-04-23 Thread phil
On Thu Apr 23 10:38:13 2015 GMT+0100, Florian LAINEZ wrote: Hi, it's the first time I write to this mailing list, I am a french contributor interested in train stations. I want to describe more precisely an extinguisher and I have seen the tag emergency=fire_extinguisher that is used de

[Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, there were ongoing discussions concerning this subject so I have ammended the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata#Criteria_for_taging_as_either_via_ferrata_or_path Richard ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] fire extinguisher class

2015-04-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-04-23 11:38 GMT+02:00 Florian LAINEZ winner...@free.fr: What about adding some details regarding the type with fire_extinguisher=A for an extinguisher class A? The classification system seems to vary between different regions, see here for a comparison table:

Re: [Tagging] fire extinguisher class

2015-04-23 Thread Florian LAINEZ
Thanks for the feedback. I am not expert at all on the topic therefore I am open to describe with literal description. I just double checked in my office (in France) and couldn't find easily any literal mention. One the other way the class A and B were clearly mentioned. Therefore I think we will

Re: [Tagging] addr:interpolation on highway

2015-04-23 Thread fly
Am 23.04.2015 um 06:34 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:13 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Would you need to split the road into two ways, one for the left side and one for the right side, even if the roadway is not actually divided? This would cause a

Re: [Tagging] fire extinguisher class

2015-04-23 Thread phil
That makes much more sense, and as you say, maps the physical characteristics. The letters seem like specialist knowledge that few people will be aware of. Phil (trigpoint ) On Thu Apr 23 13:11:46 2015 GMT+0100, Florian LAINEZ wrote: Thanks for the feedback. I am not expert at all on the

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread David Bannon
On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 15:16 +0900, johnw wrote: That’s why I thought informal yet legal spots would be good wording to cover this, and maybe link over to the camp_type proposal here - because with the wording for basic, the first thing I thought about was the legality or designation of the

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread Dave Swarthout
Good point David. Alaska has that same situation. One can camp pretty much anywhere on public lands. With the exception of parks and native holdings, Alaska is primarily public land. On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:40 AM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 15:16 +0900,

Re: [Tagging] Proofread

2015-04-23 Thread David Bannon
Bryce, I was away and inattentive while this discussion went on, so don't understand ! * amenity=sanitary_dump_station - Standalone facility for marine users * waterway=sanitary_dump_station - Standalone facility for land users Seem to be wrong way around to me ! Why is waterway used for land

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread John Willis
Seems great ! Javbw On Apr 24, 2015, at 9:52 AM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Fri, 2015-04-24 at 06:47 +0900, John Willis wrote: I don't want people to map known illegal camp sites or places they just happened to spend the night and think are nice but are on a

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread Jan van Bekkum
Dave, I wasn't intending to have another try at camp_type=*. We'll leave on our next trip in less than two weeks from now, so I don't have the time. I also will be not able to complete another voting cycle until I'll be without decent internet again. Furthermore I haven't seen better proposals

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread johnw
The ones in Japan ( I have seen) are chains. Some routes are easily passible without chains, some are beyond vertical in spots with the chain to climb. And grandpas were climbing them with a pair of gloves. occasionally there were big anchor rings used as handholds. For the easier and

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 24.04.2015 02:16, Warin wrote: Via ferrata should not be lumped into path or footway .. they are very significantly different and cannot be used in place of a path or footway. Would you take a 3 year old along it? Did you read the discussion tab? Farratas are not more difficult nor more

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 23.04.2015 11:59, Richard Z. wrote: there were ongoing discussions concerning this subject so I have ammended the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata#Criteria_for_taging_as_either_via_ferrata_or_path use highway=via_ferrata where people commonly use

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Warin
On 24/04/2015 12:27 PM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 24.04.2015 02:16, Warin wrote: Via ferrata should not be lumped into path or footway .. they are very significantly different and cannot be used in place of a path or footway. Would you take a 3 year old along it? Did you read the discussion

Re: [Tagging] Proofread

2015-04-23 Thread Warin
Editorials ... The table of Describing the Connection Style ? I'd remove 'Style' ... And then for the table titles key:value Video Description And I'd rather that the description (text) came before the video? The example for a 'standalone boating' has amenity=sanitary_dump_station too.