Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-05 23:35 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: The core question is: should this be a top level tag: leisure=camp_site leisure=communal_activity_camp leisure=caravan_site Or subtags: leisure=camp_site caravans=dedicated tents=yes

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-06 Thread SomeoneElse
On 06/05/2015 03:54, David Bannon wrote: Anyway, the issue is, perhaps confusion in some minds about =camp_site and =caravan_site. Most (but not all) camp_sites will also take caravans and RV's. But Tourism=caravan_site is for the caravan ONLY type of place. Here (in the UK) I'd

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread phil
On Wed May 6 00:08:17 2015 GMT+0100, David Bannon wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 09:44 +, Jerry Clough - OSM wrote: It seems to me that the obvious generalisation, which would cover camps organised for profit and by non-profits would be leisure=vacation_camp. I don't think

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread phil
On Wed May 6 11:49:39 2015 GMT+0100, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: ... very specific British connotations associated with holiday_camp. Yes, I would consider the british holiday camps would be better called resorts (?). The permanent building being the clue. -1 A resort is

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-06 Thread phil
On Wed May 6 08:23:34 2015 GMT+0100, SomeoneElse wrote: On 06/05/2015 03:54, David Bannon wrote: Anyway, the issue is, perhaps confusion in some minds about =camp_site and =caravan_site. Most (but not all) camp_sites will also take caravans and RV's. But Tourism=caravan_site is for the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-06 12:41 GMT+02:00 p...@trigpoint.me.uk: One of the biggest issues I see is that the mapper has to choose between tourism=caravan_site and tourism=campsite, when the vast majority of commercial sites cater for both. this is a non-issue, simply tag everything as tourism=camp_site

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
Lets be quite clear. I am not talking about travellers, itinerant workers etc. That is a different issue. Such places (trailer parks, mobile home parks, travellers sites etc.) are a form of residential landuse. Jerry   From: David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net To: Jerry Clough - OSM

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-06 Thread John Willis
There are several RV based camps in the mountains of San Diego that are large camps with amenities, stores, fishing pond, and other things. Yes, there is tent camping, but the major focus is the people staying (longer than a day) in their RV and there is absolutely nothing whatsoever around

Re: [Tagging] Colour coding of wiki description boxes

2015-05-06 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 6 May 2015 at 17:41, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/05/2015, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: If people choose not to (or are not bothered to) comment, that's an abstention. Indeed, it may reasonably be argued that of they choose not to comment on a

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread David Bannon
On Wed, 2015-05-06 at 12:45 +, Jerry Clough - OSM wrote: I am not talking about travellers, itinerant workers etc. That is a different issue. Such places (trailer parks, mobile home parks, travellers sites etc.) are a form of residential landuse. Jerry, I suspect the distinction might be

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread David Bannon
On Wed, 2015-05-06 at 11:09 +, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: A resort is usually a town whos primary purpose is tourism. A resort is not operated by a single company, and access is not restricted. Resort should probably be avoided due to totally different meanings between BE and AE.

Re: [Tagging] Colour coding of wiki description boxes

2015-05-06 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 06/05/2015, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 6 May 2015 at 17:41, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/05/2015, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: If people choose not to (or are not bothered to) comment, that's an abstention. Indeed, it may

Re: [Tagging] Colour coding of wiki description boxes

2015-05-06 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 6 May 2015 at 17:41, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: It'd only be reasonable if those people were contacted. Discussions on [tagging] or [talk] or the wiki are *not* a good way to contact mappers for democratic opinion-gathering purposes. OSM doesn't have a policy that

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 6 May 2015 at 20:40, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 06.05.2015 um 19:19 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: I know a few local tourism sites where the tourist brings only themselves and rents a static caravan. How should they be tagged ? if

Re: [Tagging] Colour coding of wiki description boxes

2015-05-06 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 05/05/2015, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: If people choose not to (or are not bothered to) comment, that's an abstention. Indeed, it may reasonably be argued that of they choose not to comment on a proposal to do something, then they are content with the proposal. It'd

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 6 May 2015 at 11:46, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-05-06 12:41 GMT+02:00 p...@trigpoint.me.uk: One of the biggest issues I see is that the mapper has to choose between tourism=caravan_site and tourism=campsite, when the vast majority of commercial sites cater

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 06.05.2015 um 19:19 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: I know a few local tourism sites where the tourist brings only themselves and rents a static caravan. How should they be tagged ? if they're static I'd probably tag them like other huts you can rent for vacation.

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 6 May 2015 at 10:56, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-05-05 23:35 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: The core question is: should this be a top level tag: leisure=camp_site leisure=communal_activity_camp leisure=caravan_site Or subtags:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-06 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
The problem may relate in part to Germany, where a natural monument is a thing. Also in the USA the tag is ambiguous. historic=memorial perhaps better fits the definition. But even then there are many small memorials and roadside plaques that could reasonably be tagged historic=memorial or

[Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-06 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Openstreetmap-carto (the default rendering style on openstreetmap.org) will soon render objects tagged historic=monument with an icon. There is currently a large number of objects incorrectly tagged as historic=monument. The definition of historic=monument according to the wiki: 'A

Re: [Tagging] [Wiki Talk] Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?

2015-05-06 Thread Mike Thompson
Some of the parts about OSM seems to be in the spirit of the project, although I would word some of it a bit differently. To the extent possible I think we should focus on the positive and avoid negative statements about other projects, or over generalizations about those projects. For example

[Tagging] [Wiki Talk] Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?

2015-05-06 Thread jgpacker
I call people to review the wiki page Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?. link: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Why_OSM_and_not_another_collaborative_mapping_service%3F It was written by a single user as a generic page to compare other collaborative mapping services to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-05-06 Thread John F. Eldredge
I am using K-9, an open-source Android app. On May 5, 2015 6:35:40 PM CDT, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 18:22 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: It has been many years since I last went tent-camping, but my experience of campgrounds in the US national park

Re: [Tagging] [Wiki Talk] Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?

2015-05-06 Thread Ineiev
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 08:29:48PM -0600, Mike Thompson wrote: To the extent possible I think we should focus on the positive and avoid negative statements about other projects, Why not, if they are true? or over generalizations about those projects. For example Your mapping service is a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: That proposal has no listings for Australia (possibly www. *nationaltrust*.org.au/ ?) and ignores British www.*nationaltrust*. org.uk/ ? I've no idea how the 'level' is decided .. while it gives some examples, it does not

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-06 Thread Warin
On 7/05/2015 3:18 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: That proposal has no listings for Australia (possibly www.*nationaltrust*.org.au/ http://org.au/ ?) and ignores British

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-06 Thread Warin
There is confusion between monument and memorial ... suggest follow the definitions under the OSM tag historic .. where monument is large ... as in you can walk inside it, over it. memorial is small .. say a plaque I have re-tagged some of the 'monuments' to 'memorials' where I am familiar

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-06 Thread Marc Gemis
It's under Tagging, it's mentioned twice, once under Main tag, once under Secondary tags On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/05/2015 3:18 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: That proposal has no

Re: [Tagging] Colour coding of wiki description boxes

2015-05-06 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:41 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/05/2015, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: Indeed, it may reasonably be argued that of they choose not to comment on a proposal to do something, then they are content with the proposal. It'd

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-06 Thread Marc Gemis
sorry I overlooked the same link in Matthijs email. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: They is a project+map that shows all those monuments with the request to retag them: http://www.historic.place/themes/monuments/ regards m. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-06 Thread Marc Gemis
They is a project+map that shows all those monuments with the request to retag them: http://www.historic.place/themes/monuments/ regards m. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Dear all, Openstreetmap-carto (the default rendering style on

Re: [Tagging] Colour coding of wiki description boxes

2015-05-06 Thread Tod Fitch
On May 6, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: The full expression of that might be the concept of a community of people who edit things like I edit. If I start editing campgrounds for example, perhaps the editor shows a chat window open to other people editing