Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 6 June 2015 at 02:56, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/06/2015 11:13 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: On 5 June 2015 at 06:01, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:14 AM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Don't confuse searching for an object with how they are

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 6 June 2015 at 03:33, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: All the double Ls are disappearing. Traveling is a common spelling now. Google traveling vs travelling. My spell checker marks the double L version as misspelled. surely you mean misspeled ??? The one that really gets me is

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 21:01 -0500, John Eldredge wrote: Also, there are a lot of so-called hobby shops that carry supplies for decorative crafts such as beading, embroidery, and jewelry making. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 06.06.2015 um 00:32 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: Shop=hobby Shop=model trains Shop=table_gaming Shop=scale_models The better choice (I think) is to create a subkey for hobby and define out the different shops that way. There can be a lot of hobbies, I wouldn't have put

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Colin Smale
Try to understand that there is a serious point being made here. Multi-valued keys always cause arguments on these lists. Unfortunately the forces of nature have decided that some shops fit in multiple categories at the same time, and some roads have multiple ref's and there are plenty of

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 06.06.2015 um 02:09 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: When will the multi values problem be fixed ? What if the value is a range ? Is that a problem too ? 1;2;3;4;5 or is 1-5 preferred in a contiguous case ? what if the signed housenumber is 63-67, but you won't see

[Tagging] Localities (was: Re: RFD tag:shop=camera?)

2015-06-06 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 06.06.2015 3:56, Warin napisał(a): I have absolutely no objection to locals using their own language names for things but having different icons is surely not a benefit ? It is to the locals. e.g. They may not see 'fast food' as a hamburger! This is a much bigger issu than just

[Tagging] Data metamodels (was: Re: Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model)

2015-06-06 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 06.06.2015 11:29, Colin Smale napisał(a): Time to work towards an updated metamodel, with: * Multiple values (lists of values - sorting out the semicolon business?) Sure! * Complex values (data structures - formalising the namespace syntax?) Any example? I don't know what are you

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 06.06.2015 um 04:33 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: All the double Ls are disappearing. Traveling is a common spelling now. Google traveling vs travelling. My spell checker marks the double L version as misspelled. double L is British English, one is AE Your spellchecker is

Re: [Tagging] Data metamodels

2015-06-06 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-06-06 15:55, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 06.06.2015 11:29, Colin Smale napisał(a): Time to work towards an updated metamodel, with: * Multiple values (lists of values - sorting out the semicolon business?) Sure! * Complex values (data structures - formalising the namespace

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Colin Smale
And how to distinguish a range like 63-67 from a flat number written as 63-67? I.e. flat 67, in a building/complex whose address is 63. Regarding the question whether the range is continuous, or only odd numbers (in this case), I have seen this solved by using a short interpolation way within

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 5 June 2015 at 12:36, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 05.06.2015 um 11:33 schrieb David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com: As for landuse=residential -- I agree that we could probably do without it. But it does add to the readability of the map, especially at low

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread John Eldredge
You are fond of proposing keys with arbitrary numbers as the value, or part of the value. This would be fine if we were using a relational database, where a mapper could select one of a list of human-language descriptions, which would then get translated to the magic number for storage.

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 6 June 2015 at 03:09, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: On 6/6/15 02:51 , pmailkeey . wrote: shop=photon - where n is a number on a scale to indicate the range of products e.g. : photo1 - basic point n shoot cameras photo5 - cameras, lenses, film, printing/developing service,

Re: [Tagging] residential granularity / was Re: OSM is ... right ...

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 5 June 2015 at 13:20, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2015-06-05 13:36: Am 05.06.2015 um 11:33 schrieb David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com: As for landuse=residential -- I agree that we could probably do without it. But it does add to the readability

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread jgpacker
The problem with oneway is the key name - it's 3 letters too long: How is this NOT trolling? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-is-a-right-mess-was-Craigslist-OpenStreetMap-Rendering-Issue-tp5846860p5847385.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread Jo
In the same vein: way=0: no way! Better not to lose sleep over 3 letters. Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread John Willis
On Jun 6, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: (table gaming, adventures, Cosplay, ...) in hobby, but in toys. I agree for subtags. All of those are hobbies. They have dedicated stores for each. They are filled with adults, spending unglodly amounts of

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Warin
On 6/06/2015 11:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 06.06.2015 um 00:32 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: Shop=hobby Shop=model trains Shop=table_gaming Shop=scale_models The better choice (I think) is to create a subkey for hobby and define out the different shops that way. There can

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread John Willis
I'm Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Some consider Golf, Fishing, Stamp and Coin collecting as hobbies. Any activity that you don't do for a job can be considered a hobby. But some activities fall into broader groups, usually based on

Re: [Tagging] Data metamodels

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 6 June 2015 at 15:36, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2015-06-06 15:55, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 06.06.2015 11:29, Colin Smale napisał(a): Time to work towards an updated metamodel, with: * Multiple values (lists of values - sorting out the semicolon business?) Sure!

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 5 June 2015 at 10:33, David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:33 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: The issue with the 'oneway' key is that the key itself contains 'data' relating to the value. Oneway without a value would imply =yes whereas

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:26 AM, John Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: presenting a mapper with a list of choices such as photo1, photo2, and photo3 is likely to result in corrupted data, due to a mapper picking one at random, Remember the epic discussion on track type?

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread Andreas Goss
On 6/7/15 00:39 , jgpacker wrote: The problem with oneway is the key name - it's 3 letters too long: How is this NOT trolling? Honestly at this point I'm not sure either anymore. I just know it's getting annyoing as fuck... __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88