Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Reception Desk.
At one hospital here in Nashville, TN, they cut back on the number of reception desks. The two primary entrances have desks with someone seated at them. Three other entrances have an unstaffed desk, with a webcam and a telephone. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On June 16, 2015 5:48:03 AM Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/2015 8:02 PM, Ruben Maes wrote: Hi I'm a bit late here (just recently started really reading the tagging list), but could this also be used for reception webcams? In my city's hospital, the reception desk has been replaced with a tv screen and a camera. The receptionist is at the other campus of hospital, in another town, 15 km from where you are standing. Wow. Is the doctor 15km away too? :-) The tag applies .. the place a visitor goes to for info etc So yes... it is not about the 'desk' that is used to separate it from weeding reception, GPS reception, etc. I'll have to make that clear in the tag! The name is the best I could come up with. Not too late to change it if someone has a better name? All the best Ruben Note on the distance to the Doctor .. here in Australia 'we' have the Royal Flying Doctor Service (RFDS) .. the Doctor can be 1,000 km away, not far in a fast plane. 2015-06-16 2:52 GMT+02:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: I think I'll be closing this shortly. Possibly tomorrow. There are some 10 votes, one against, the majority approving. There were close to 40 votes last time... where has the passion gone? On 2/06/2015 8:47 AM, Warin wrote: Hi, Voting for the mark 2 version of Reception Desk is now open. Link https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/amenity%3Dreception_desk A Reception Desk provides a place where people (visitors, patients, or clients) arrive to be greeted, any information recorded, the relevant person is contacted and the visitor/s, patient/s, or client/s sent on to the relevant person/place. It is particularly useful to know the location of the reception desk when it is located away from the typical place (near a front entry) or where there is only one amongst a number of large buildings. First seen as a suggested extended tag for camp sites, thought to have a wider application to offices, hotels, hospitals and educational features. The amenity key is chosen so it can be used for both tourism and business situations. Thanks for your participation. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft tag for Airport Security Zones | Non-voting procedure
On 6/15/2015 10:01 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Are these functions still handled in (mappable) part of the building? Entry into the different zones is at fixed points Are the restrooms and charging stations assignable to a zone that is constant? No. In practice, this isn't typically an issue because the closest facilities are normally in the same zone as you are, both for security and customs. They also tend to be less useful features because it's easier to look up for a restroom sign than use a device. And this is leaving aside flights that arrive, where they may send you on at least two sets of internal passages leading out of secured areas, or into the general waiting area at the gates. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Reception Desk.
On 17/06/2015 3:19 AM, Ruben Maes wrote: I think this could adequately be handled with a subtag, such as reception_desk=manned/webcam/artificial_intelligence/... robot? virtual_person? Might become a trend .. convenience stores and banks have a habit of getting robbed so that might occur there too. Maybe manned=human/monkey/webcam/robot/virtual_person/artificial_intelligence/... or serviced=human/monkey/webcam/robot/virtual_person/artificial_intelligence/... so it can be applied to other things? Where a person is replaced by a webcam .. they probably leaved the desk behind? Saves the cost of removal and they can reverse the installation easily if it does not work. 2015-06-16 16:42 GMT+02:00 John Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: At one hospital here in Nashville, TN, they cut back on the number of reception desks. The two primary entrances have desks with someone seated at them. Three other entrances have an unstaffed desk, with a webcam and a telephone. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On June 16, 2015 5:48:03 AM Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/2015 8:02 PM, Ruben Maes wrote: Hi I'm a bit late here (just recently started really reading the tagging list), but could this also be used for reception webcams? In my city's hospital, the reception desk has been replaced with a tv screen and a camera. The receptionist is at the other campus of hospital, in another town, 15 km from where you are standing. Wow. Is the doctor 15km away too? :-) The tag applies .. the place a visitor goes to for info etc So yes... it is not about the 'desk' that is used to separate it from weeding reception, GPS reception, etc. I'll have to make that clear in the tag! The name is the best I could come up with. Not too late to change it if someone has a better name? All the best Ruben ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Reception Desk.
Ahh .. the passion is back! More votes .. yea! Unfortunately it now is rejected .. 15 votes total .. less than half those that voted before ... leaving the voting open for now. It does appear that some who vote against don't participate in any discussion, they just vote. -- Present points against; a) Won't vote for furniture b) It should be area not desk. c) There exists some tagged reception_area already and that out numbers the present reception_desk use. d) Always located at the main entrance. e) vague between tourism, office etc f) only for very special cases. I think I have them all? Response; a) OSM already has furniture. It exists and is of use. It should be mapped. b) One could then map a very large area .. including the waiting area, the entire building? What is needed is the small area where you go to get access/information. c) And there was a dog_bin in use in OSM too.. one could assume that it is for dead dogs? The present reception_area use is all on nodes, no areas at all. There are less than 110 uses of it. There is no documentation for it. One of the tag is for a building .. on a node. d) I personally know of two places where the reception is a long way from the main entrance (Australia). Someone else also know of a reception a long way from the main entrance (Africa I think). So not always at the main entry, and in that situation mapping it is very usefull. e) The proposal definitions for the keys tourism, office etc came form the OSM wiki - direct quotes. They are broad so that all suitable features fit, but they exclude others. f) It is for the special cases that this is necessary. You may map the non special cases too .. nothing stopping that. On 17/06/2015 9:22 AM, Warin wrote: On 17/06/2015 3:19 AM, Ruben Maes wrote: I think this could adequately be handled with a subtag, such as reception_desk=manned/webcam/artificial_intelligence/... robot? virtual_person? Might become a trend .. convenience stores and banks have a habit of getting robbed so that might occur there too. Maybe manned=human/monkey/webcam/robot/virtual_person/artificial_intelligence/... or serviced=human/monkey/webcam/robot/virtual_person/artificial_intelligence/... so it can be applied to other things? Where a person is replaced by a webcam .. they probably leaved the desk behind? Saves the cost of removal and they can reverse the installation easily if it does not work. 2015-06-16 16:42 GMT+02:00 John Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: At one hospital here in Nashville, TN, they cut back on the number of reception desks. The two primary entrances have desks with someone seated at them. Three other entrances have an unstaffed desk, with a webcam and a telephone. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On June 16, 2015 5:48:03 AM Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/2015 8:02 PM, Ruben Maes wrote: Hi I'm a bit late here (just recently started really reading the tagging list), but could this also be used for reception webcams? In my city's hospital, the reception desk has been replaced with a tv screen and a camera. The receptionist is at the other campus of hospital, in another town, 15 km from where you are standing. Wow. Is the doctor 15km away too? :-) The tag applies .. the place a visitor goes to for info etc So yes... it is not about the 'desk' that is used to separate it from weeding reception, GPS reception, etc. I'll have to make that clear in the tag! The name is the best I could come up with. Not too late to change it if someone has a better name? All the best Ruben ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft tag for Airport Security Zones | Non-voting procedure
On Jun 17, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com mailto:penor...@mac.com wrote: They also tend to be less useful features because it's easier to look up for a restroom sign than use a device. Agreed for restrooms. For charging stations, International Transit Lounge” status of your flight AFAIK, this is about mapping the different named areas of the *terminal* - AKA how do people refer to the areas of the terminal itself. is it domestic? International? in the “sterile” area after security check? is it arrivals, departures, or both? i don’t think we can map the area before or after the checkpoints yet, as indoor mapping is not finalized - so lets skip the sterile stuff for now. the aeroway=gate tag isn’t for the building nor the passengers inside - it is where the nose-wheel of the plane parks - the current gate tag is for the *plane* not the passengers. we have no good way to map the people side of the airport yet - just what is there for the planes and the large visible building sections of the terminal (and pin points where amenities and shops and whatnot are) . A certain kind of flight may arrive with a certain kind of passengers, but is the terminal they arrive at have a specially named area of the terminal used just for this kind of passenger, beyond international and domestic? My guess is no. Because they are just going through the international arrivals section of the international terminal to immigration, and onto international baggage claim, then through customs into the public area of the airport. For now, mapping the “domestic” and “international” labels of the terminal, as well as the “satellites” of the terminals - all of these are buildings (or very large pieces of buildings) are named on airport guide maps, and should be easily mapped as OSM is today, probably with a terminal=* subtag terminal:travellers=international terminal:travellers=domestic terminal:travellers=mixed Terminal:part=satellite Terminal:part=wing Terminal:part=main these work together, as often large sections of a terminal are designated for international or domestic use (the design of modern terminals are purpose built for one or the other and not adaptable, so it is permanently designated) - if the whole terminal itself is not dedicated for a particular way. Having a slightly darker or lighter shade of purple for the international or domestic sections can make seeing which terminals or terminal satellites serve what purpose very easy. After indoor mapping is finalized, then we can worry about levels being assigned to departures, arrivals, transit, security checks, private, etc,etc. I think those above tags are the only “zones we can create for inside the terminal now - the zones on the apron or runway area could be mapped now, as they are not indoor areas. Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Reception Desk.
On 16/06/2015 8:02 PM, Ruben Maes wrote: Hi I'm a bit late here (just recently started really reading the tagging list), but could this also be used for reception webcams? In my city's hospital, the reception desk has been replaced with a tv screen and a camera. The receptionist is at the other campus of hospital, in another town, 15 km from where you are standing. Wow. Is the doctor 15km away too? :-) The tag applies .. the place a visitor goes to for info etc So yes... it is not about the 'desk' that is used to separate it from weeding reception, GPS reception, etc. I'll have to make that clear in the tag! The name is the best I could come up with. Not too late to change it if someone has a better name? All the best Ruben Note on the distance to the Doctor .. here in Australia 'we' have the Royal Flying Doctor Service (RFDS) .. the Doctor can be 1,000 km away, not far in a fast plane. 2015-06-16 2:52 GMT+02:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: I think I'll be closing this shortly. Possibly tomorrow. There are some 10 votes, one against, the majority approving. There were close to 40 votes last time... where has the passion gone? On 2/06/2015 8:47 AM, Warin wrote: Hi, Voting for the mark 2 version of Reception Desk is now open. Link https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/amenity%3Dreception_desk A Reception Desk provides a place where people (visitors, patients, or clients) arrive to be greeted, any information recorded, the relevant person is contacted and the visitor/s, patient/s, or client/s sent on to the relevant person/place. It is particularly useful to know the location of the reception desk when it is located away from the typical place (near a front entry) or where there is only one amongst a number of large buildings. First seen as a suggested extended tag for camp sites, thought to have a wider application to offices, hotels, hospitals and educational features. The amenity key is chosen so it can be used for both tourism and business situations. Thanks for your participation. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Reception Desk.
On 16/06/2015 8:46 PM, Warin wrote: On 16/06/2015 8:02 PM, Ruben Maes wrote: Hi I'm a bit late here (just recently started really reading the tagging list), but could this also be used for reception webcams? In my city's hospital, the reception desk has been replaced with a tv screen and a camera. The receptionist is at the other campus of hospital, in another town, 15 km from where you are standing. Question.. Is there still a 'desk' there? For filling out forms, even jst picking up a map/brochure? Wow. Is the doctor 15km away too? :-) The tag applies .. the place a visitor goes to for info etc So yes... it is not about the 'desk' that is used to separate it from weeding reception, GPS reception, etc. I'll have to make that clear in the tag! The name is the best I could come up with. Not too late to change it if someone has a better name? All the best Ruben Note on the distance to the Doctor .. here in Australia 'we' have the Royal Flying Doctor Service (RFDS) .. the Doctor can be 1,000 km away, not far in a fast plane. 2015-06-16 2:52 GMT+02:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: I think I'll be closing this shortly. Possibly tomorrow. There are some 10 votes, one against, the majority approving. There were close to 40 votes last time... where has the passion gone? On 2/06/2015 8:47 AM, Warin wrote: Hi, Voting for the mark 2 version of Reception Desk is now open. Link https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/amenity%3Dreception_desk A Reception Desk provides a place where people (visitors, patients, or clients) arrive to be greeted, any information recorded, the relevant person is contacted and the visitor/s, patient/s, or client/s sent on to the relevant person/place. It is particularly useful to know the location of the reception desk when it is located away from the typical place (near a front entry) or where there is only one amongst a number of large buildings. First seen as a suggested extended tag for camp sites, thought to have a wider application to offices, hotels, hospitals and educational features. The amenity key is chosen so it can be used for both tourism and business situations. Thanks for your participation. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Reception Desk.
2015-06-16 12:49 GMT+02:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 16/06/2015 8:46 PM, Warin wrote: On 16/06/2015 8:02 PM, Ruben Maes wrote: Hi I'm a bit late here (just recently started really reading the tagging list), but could this also be used for reception webcams? In my city's hospital, the reception desk has been replaced with a tv screen and a camera. The receptionist is at the other campus of hospital, in another town, 15 km from where you are standing. Question.. Is there still a 'desk' there? For filling out forms, even jst picking up a map/brochure? I don't remember that well, but I think so. Wow. Is the doctor 15km away too? :-) No :p But you're laughing at it, don't they do remote surgeries these days? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_surgery The tag applies .. the place a visitor goes to for info etc So yes... it is not about the 'desk' that is used to separate it from weeding reception, GPS reception, etc. I'll have to make that clear in the tag! The name is the best I could come up with. Not too late to change it if someone has a better name? All the best Ruben Note on the distance to the Doctor .. here in Australia 'we' have the Royal Flying Doctor Service (RFDS) .. the Doctor can be 1,000 km away, not far in a fast plane. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Reception Desk.
Hi I'm a bit late here (just recently started really reading the tagging list), but could this also be used for reception webcams? In my city's hospital, the reception desk has been replaced with a tv screen and a camera. The receptionist is at the other campus of hospital, in another town, 15 km from where you are standing. All the best Ruben 2015-06-16 2:52 GMT+02:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: I think I'll be closing this shortly. Possibly tomorrow. There are some 10 votes, one against, the majority approving. There were close to 40 votes last time... where has the passion gone? On 2/06/2015 8:47 AM, Warin wrote: Hi, Voting for the mark 2 version of Reception Desk is now open. Link https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/amenity%3Dreception_desk A Reception Desk provides a place where people (visitors, patients, or clients) arrive to be greeted, any information recorded, the relevant person is contacted and the visitor/s, patient/s, or client/s sent on to the relevant person/place. It is particularly useful to know the location of the reception desk when it is located away from the typical place (near a front entry) or where there is only one amongst a number of large buildings. First seen as a suggested extended tag for camp sites, thought to have a wider application to offices, hotels, hospitals and educational features. The amenity key is chosen so it can be used for both tourism and business situations. Thanks for your participation. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
