Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread serpens-osm
I'm a bit lost in this thread and hope that I'm not repeating what was already said, but there is extensive documentation on this topic in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dembassy and linked pages. It might be disputable whether tagging consulate generals as

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-25 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 24.08.2015 22:49, Chris Hill wrote: I think that 'disused=yes' is a dangerous tag and should be avoided. Suppose someone uses foo=bar + disused=yes. Someone else searches for foo=bar, he will find the objects with and without disused=yes. That's fine, because disused objects are still

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread serpens-osm
Hi, thank you for your thoughts! diplomatic:country=ES I don’t think that is the best solution. Why not? As I wrote: The destination country is not always identical with addr:country – see for example the embassy of Ethiopia in Berlin (destination countries: Germany, Poland, Slovak

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2015-08-25 16:42 +0200, serpens-...@gmx.de wrote: The destination country is not always identical with addr:country – see for example the embassy of Ethiopia in Berlin (destination countries: Germany, Poland, Slovak Republic and Czech Republic), see

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 25.08.2015 um 15:16 schrieb Kieron Thwaites kieron.thwai...@gmail.com: To take your example of a Spanish consulate in France, I would amend it to something along these lines: amenity=diplomatic diplomatic=consulate diplomatic:country=ES name=Spanish Consulate

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread serpens-osm
having an English name for a Spanish consulate to France seems kind of odd for the tag name ;-) That’s a joke, right? ;-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread Tom Pfeifer
serpens-...@gmx.de wrote on 2015-08-25 16:43: having an English name for a Spanish consulate to France seems kind of odd for the tag name ;-) That’s a joke, right? ;-) I would not see that a joke. name= should be the locally used name, name:en= the English one. t.

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread serpens-osm
having an English name for a Spanish consulate to France seems kind of odd for the tag name ;-) That’s a joke, right? ;-) I would not see that a joke. name= should be the locally used name, name:en= the English one. It was just an hypothetical example and the whole discussion is not

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread Kieron Thwaites
Ah, OK. That makes more sense then. (: --K On 25 August 2015 at 17:15, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote: On Tuesday 2015-08-25 16:42 +0200, serpens-...@gmx.de wrote: The destination country is not always identical with addr:country – see for example the embassy of Ethiopia in

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 25.08.2015 um 16:42 schrieb serpens-...@gmx.de: So there is an embassy - located in Berlin (addr:country=DE), - the sending country is Ethiopia (diplomatic:sending_country=ET) - and the destination countries are Germany, Poland, Slovak Republic and Czech Republic

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Warin
On 25/08/2015 10:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 25.08.2015 um 03:30 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: e.g. bank, carpenter, post_office As the post office is called an office I suppose it should go as office=post_office :-) The more I think of a bank the more I

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-25 Thread Warin
On 26/08/2015 8:20 AM, Paul Norman wrote: On 8/24/2015 3:35 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: That's not so bad in lua, but imagine writing ... and not disused=yes into every cartocss rule! Fortunately, we will not have to do that in OpenStreetMap Carto, as we will not be supporting the style of

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Ruben Maes
Tuesday 25 August 2015 11:30:33, Warin: As the post office is called an office I suppose it should go as office=post_office:-) The more I think of a bank the more I think of it is an office. Carpenter? If I want a repair done .. then it is a service? = office. If I want a new chair then a

[Tagging] Implementing tagging changes [was: Re: Shop vs amenity]

2015-08-25 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 25.08.2015 4:13, Warin napisał(a): Everyone does not participate in all the OSM news sources. Thus people are surprised when presented with stuff they had no idea of. Of course, they never will participate in everything. But we as a project don't have any defined channels where one

Re: [Tagging] Implementing tagging changes [was: Re: Shop vs amenity]

2015-08-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:44:37 +0200 Daniel Koć dan...@xn--ko-wla.pl wrote: competing proposition landuse=highway Note that landuse=highway is closely related but not competing. area:highway is about mapping surfaces used for movement of vehicles and people. landuse=highway is about mapping

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-25 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/24/2015 3:35 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: That's not so bad in lua, but imagine writing ... and not disused=yes into every cartocss rule! Fortunately, we will not have to do that in OpenStreetMap Carto, as we will not be supporting the style of tagging where one tag says what something is,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Husainiya

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 22.08.2015 um 02:37 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: We already define the religious buildings themselves through building=* and the POW through amenity, and the religion and denomination through their respective tags. if those religious buildings have

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Husainiya

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 22.08.2015 um 15:38 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: A school operated by a church on separate land with separate facilites is a school. The sign out front says school. It is a school. It may be a religious school, so it has religion=* **but it is not the landuse

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 24.08.2015 um 14:11 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: I have been adding 'residential areas' lately .. boring ... but it improves the map for people who don't know how big a place is. for me the solution to this problem are place polygons rather than indifferent

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:33:04 +0200 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: On 24.08.2015 22:49, Chris Hill wrote: I think that 'disused=yes' is a dangerous tag and should be avoided. Suppose someone uses foo=bar + disused=yes. Someone else searches for foo=bar, he will find the objects

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Warin
On 25/08/2015 10:21 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 25.08.2015 um 00:58 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: Building=retail. - existing yes, people use this tag. Personally I'm inclined to use more specific building types here, sth. like building=supermarket or

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - maxspeed:variable=*

2015-08-25 Thread Kieron Thwaites
Hello, A while ago, I came across the maxspeed:variable=* tag, to specify if a highway's maximum speed could be further reduced using dynamic speed indication. This was proposed back in 2012 as an alternative to maxspeed=signals; the main rationale being that maxspeed=signals does not convey any

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Husainiya

2015-08-25 Thread John Willis
Javbw On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: sent from a phone Am 22.08.2015 um 02:37 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: We already define the religious buildings themselves through building=* and the POW through amenity, and the

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread Kieron Thwaites
Hi, While I've never tagged any form of diplomatic institution, I agree with the rationale behind your proposal. I do have some suggestions around implementation details. I would argue that you wouldn't need tags specifying what country the diplomatic institution is physically located in: one

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread John Eldredge
From my experience, American English makes much the same distinctions as what you are describing. You sometimes see a distinction between rough carpenters, who install wall studs and the like, which won't end up being visible to the customer, and finish carpenters, who install woodwork that

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 25.08.2015 um 03:30 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: shops sell physical things. offices provide a service. So an electrician would be a service = office I would use craft=electrician here http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/craft#values cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Implementing tagging changes [was: Re: Shop vs amenity]

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 25.08.2015 um 11:44 schrieb Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_area ). It took a lot of time to get real support. 2 weeks ago it was about 10-12k uses: not that much, but clearly more than competing proposition

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 24.08.2015 um 15:33 schrieb Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl: What if amenity takes the whole building? Landuse=school for area + building=school is enough or we still should add amenity=school for the building? amenity=school is for the school (service/function), while

[Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-25 Thread serpens-osm
Short introduction: Let’s take the tagging scheme „fuel“ for example: amenity=fuel fuel:diesel=yes/no fuel:discount=discount programme … This is logical and consistent: amenity=xy and then a namespace xy:subkey=Tag --- Now to my topic: diplomatic institution – like an embassy, a

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 25.08.2015 um 00:58 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: Building=retail. - existing yes, people use this tag. Personally I'm inclined to use more specific building types here, sth. like building=supermarket or department_store or ... cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread John Willis
On Aug 25, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone does not participate in all the OSM news sources. Thus people are surprised when presented with stuff they had no idea of. When I was a gamer, I played a lot of Blizzard games (WoW Diablo), and the same situation

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 25.08.2015 um 10:33 schrieb Ruben Maes ruben.mae...@gmail.com: Tuesday 25 August 2015 11:30:33, Warin: As the post office is called an office I suppose it should go as office=post_office:-) The more I think of a bank the more I think of it is an office. Carpenter?

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Husainiya

2015-08-25 Thread John Willis
On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:15 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: sent from a phone Am 22.08.2015 um 15:38 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: A school operated by a church on separate land with separate facilites is a school. The sign out front says school. It is a