[Tagging] Xxzme edit of wiki proposed features page voting

[Warin]

With no discussion on the relevant talk page ..

This page has been labelled for deletion.

As I use this page to check for any new proposals up for voting it forms 
an essential part of my voting on new proposals.


Are there any who support the deletion of this page?


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Re: [Tagging] Semi-detached houses: undocumented iD preset

[Bryce Nesbitt]

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 5:02 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
>
> it depends how you use the word "Doppelhaus". Legally it means 2 touching
> houses on 2 parcels. Architectonically it means 2 more or less symmetric
> buildings that touch. They don't have to share the same materials or
> colours (mostly they do, sometimes they don't), but rather the building
> layout/facades. Completely different buildings touching at one side are
> called differently (einseitig angebaut, etc.)


American terms:

*duplex*: technically, one building with separate entrances.  But also used
far more broadly, and duplexes are a hot real estate term.
*duplex apartment*: single unit spread over two floors.
*triplex apartment*: single unit spread over three floors.
*condo* : single building with multiple owners.  Owners also belong to an
association, which manages the common areas.
*semidetached* or *twin*: houses that share a wall at the property line.
These are often called *duplexes*.  The haves of a twin look the same,
unless perhaps it's also a *spite house*.
*maisonette*: rough British equivalent of duplex apartment.


>From the OSM point of view it may be better to break it down to atomic
questions:

   1. Does it straddle a parcel boundary?
   2. Apartment/Deeded owners or mixed?
   3. Are the architectural styles unified?




 building=semidetached_house is a tag I don't really know what to do with,
and would thus ignore.
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Re: [Tagging] Semi-detached houses: undocumented iD preset

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 18.09.2015 um 07:33 schrieb Colin Smale :
> 
> Can we assume the houses at the ends of terraces are to be tagged as semi 
> detached?



My dictionary believes those are called "end-terrace_house" (in German 
"Reihenendhaus"), while the semidetached house in German would be 
"Doppelhaushälfte". 


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Re: [Tagging] Xxzme edit of wiki proposed features page voting

[Clifford Snow]

What page exactly?

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> With no discussion on the relevant talk page ..
>
> This page has been labelled for deletion.
>
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> an essential part of my voting on new proposals.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Semi-detached houses: undocumented iD preset

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 18.09.2015 um 10:00 schrieb Ruben Maes :
> 
> None of those values are OK, but iD wants us to embrace semidetached_house?


I believe to recall that this value was discussed at least on the German 
mailing list, I don't perceive it as pushed by iD.


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Re: [Tagging] Semi-detached houses: undocumented iD preset

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 18.09.2015 um 10:20 schrieb Ruben Maes :
> 
> Doppelhäuser which is not exactly the same as just two houses that share a 
> wall, right?


it depends how you use the word "Doppelhaus". Legally it means 2 touching 
houses on 2 parcels. Architectonically it means 2 more or less symmetric 
buildings that touch. They don't have to share the same materials or colours 
(mostly they do, sometimes they don't), but rather the building layout/facades. 
Completely different buildings touching at one side are called differently 
(einseitig angebaut, etc.) 

Considering the roof, under German law (and likely in other places as well) 
each building has to form a fire compartment on its own, extending from the 
underground/ground to the roof, so that the fire won't pass from one to the 
other, but depending on the details you might not be able to see it. A very 
good indication are 2 symmetric front doors, e.g.
http://www.beissner-hochbau.de/biga-doppelhaus-klinkerfassade-auhagen-hausbau-hannover.htm#bild



> 
> According to Wiktionary, it is called a duplex in American English,



in Germany, a duplex is an apartment with several floors (typically 2), with 
their private staircase. 


> in British, Australian and Canadian English a semi


which is likely an abbreviation for semi-detached house 


> and in all Englishes a semi-detached. That would make the "house" part even 
> unnecessary, but useful to understand the meaning of the tag (unlike 
> building=detached).


the latter could also be detached_house and would be easier to understand for 
foreigners, maybe 


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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aeroway=heliport (was: Re: Heliport tagging)

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 03.09.2015 16:21, Mateusz Konieczny napisał(a):


Using different tagging for heliports and airports supporting planes
seems to be a good idea.


So here is my quick draft documenting aeroway=heliport scheme:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/aeroway%3Dheliport

Definition: Aerodrome for helicopters.

I don't think it needs much more explanations, since the change would be 
rather clear, but still all the comments are welcome!


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Re: [Tagging] Semi-detached houses: undocumented iD preset

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 18.09.2015 um 09:47 schrieb Frederik Ramm :
> 
> I'd say the same applies to houses. Whether something is one half of a
> double house, or semi-detached, or terraced, or free-standing - isn't
> that something that I can automatically determine by looking at the
> nearby mapped buildings?


you can only infer this if you know some details about the typology of the 
parts (residential building, one "main household"), otherwise two buildings 
(=yes) attached to each other could be any kind of constellation. 

We do tag the difference of single household residential buildings from multi 
family buildings, we do even differentiate between  terraced houses and 
detached houses, where is the redundancy if we describe a building as 
semi-detached_house rather than as detached_house, in cases where it applies?

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Re: [Tagging] Semi-detached houses: undocumented iD preset

[Ruben Maes]

Thursday 17 September 2015 16:48:48, Martin Koppenhoefer:
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
> > Am 17.09.2015 um 16:29 schrieb Ruben Maes :
> > 
> > building:type=semidetached_house,
> 
> is ok for me. We should write a definition into the wiki, thank you for 
> preparing a proposal.
> 
> > building:type=dwelling_house,
> 
> is this a house where someone is living? I prefer the values detached house 
> and villa, maybe also hut/cabin? 
> 
> > building:type=row_house and
> 
> I believe these are the same as terraced houses?
> 
> > building:type=multi_storey.
> 
> quite generic, we also have apartments, condominium, tower, office_tower, ...
> basically you can see by building_levels tag how many storeys a building has.

Yes, that was my point ;)
None of those values are OK, but iD wants us to embrace semidetached_house?

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aeroway=heliport (was: Re: Heliport tagging)

[Dave Swarthout]

It's not all that clear to me. Are you proposing the tag aeroway=heliport
to be used in the specific case of a helipad that is part of a regular
airport instead of using aeroway=helipad?

If so, do you recommend we continue using the helipad tagging in the case
of a separate facility for helicopters only?

Cheers

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Daniel Koć  wrote:

> W dniu 03.09.2015 16:21, Mateusz Konieczny napisał(a):
>
> Using different tagging for heliports and airports supporting planes
>> seems to be a good idea.
>>
>
> So here is my quick draft documenting aeroway=heliport scheme:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/aeroway%3Dheliport
>
> Definition: Aerodrome for helicopters.
>
> I don't think it needs much more explanations, since the change would be
> rather clear, but still all the comments are welcome!
>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aeroway=heliport

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 18.09.2015 15:31, Dave Swarthout napisał(a):

It's not all that clear to me. Are you proposing the tag
aeroway=heliport to be used in the specific case of a helipad that is
part of a regular airport instead of using aeroway=helipad?

If so, do you recommend we continue using the helipad tagging in the
case of a separate facility for helicopters only?


According to Wikipedia definition:

"A heliport is a small airport suitable only for use by helicopters. 
Heliports typically contain one or more helipads and may have limited 
facilities such as fuel, lighting, a windsock, or even hangars. In 
larger towns and cities, customs facilities may be available at a 
heliport."


[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliport ]

Helipad is just a landing place (for example some hospitals have them 
alone), heliport is more than this, so they are not the same. Look at 
this heliport:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/108957278

It's tiny and have only one helipad, but the infrastructure contains 
some terminals and the apron.


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Re: [Tagging] Semi-detached houses: undocumented iD preset

[moltonel 3x Combo]

On 18/09/2015, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> I'd say the same applies to houses. Whether something is one half of a
> double house, or semi-detached, or terraced, or free-standing - isn't
> that something that I can automatically determine by looking at the
> nearby mapped buildings?

+1 I've always tagged those as "house". I try my best to avoid
building=yes and disntinguish all building types, but the various
detached variants I don't bother with. I'm much more likely to tag
roof:shape from imagery and building:levels from surveying.

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