Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

2015-11-08 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/8/15 5:00 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Sorry to keep working this side topic but I want to add this > information FYI. I just came across this interesting article that > talks about the difficulty of editing relations in JOSM. Even though > we're talking about routes in this thread I think

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-08 Thread tomoya muramoto
I'm a Japanese mapper, and I thank you for your work on Japan/Asia specific problems. It's very tough to read and understand a long discussion in English, so maybe I'm lack of full understanding on this issue. I'm sorry I couldn't grasp this problem at this time. *Signals rendering is dependent

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

2015-11-08 Thread Dave Swarthout
Sorry to keep working this side topic but I want to add this information FYI. I just came across this interesting article that talks about the difficulty of editing relations in JOSM. Even though we're talking about routes in this thread I think it's still relevant to our recent discussions:

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-08 Thread johnw
> On Nov 8, 2015, at 7:17 PM, tomoya muramoto wrote: > > I'm a Japanese mapper, and I thank you for your work on Japan/Asia specific > problems. > It's very tough to read and understand a long discussion in English, so maybe > I'm lack of full understanding on this

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

2015-11-08 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 08/11/2015, Dave Swarthout wrote: > In that section the author, sk53, says, "Creating a whole set of boundaries > encompassing one country and part of another is not a light undertaking on > OSM. It is fiddly work, and involves manipulating objects with many >

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

2015-11-08 Thread Dave Swarthout
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 5:39 AM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > While I agree that relations can break and can be tricky to edit, I > find it tiring to see this argument repeatedly used against the use of > relations for this or that usecase. > Your point is well taken. You've

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

2015-11-08 Thread Andy Townsend
On 07/11/2015 23:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Are multiple relations for (pieces of) the same route really a big problem? We could have multiple relations until they meet and then merge them. The problem isn't that we can't merge multiple relations later, it's that we can't stop them

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

2015-11-08 Thread Colin Smale
Surely the fact that it is difficult to get it 100% perfect should not stop us from moving at all? As with all "big" problems, a divide-and-conquer strategy often helps to make things achievable which at first glance seem insurmountable. As this functionality really should be built into each